this post was submitted on 27 Jan 2024
147 points (98.0% liked)

Programming

17443 readers
163 users here now

Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!

Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.

Hope you enjoy the instance!

Rules

Rules

  • Follow the programming.dev instance rules
  • Keep content related to programming in some way
  • If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos

Wormhole

Follow the wormhole through a path of communities !webdev@programming.dev



founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Interesting to see the benefits and drawbacks called out.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] chepox@sopuli.xyz 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I use it mostly as a help menu. Details of the function and parameter settings. Also fixing errors. I don't use it to generate code for me though.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Using it to generate code isn't inherently bad (outside of copyright concerns). Especially in "stupid amount of boiler plate" languages/etc.

But the problem is that people are lazy. They don't bother understanding the output, making sure it does what you want it to, etc. It's not that different than people copy pasting code from reference material. Part of the beauty of software development is that you don't have to solve every problem someone else has already solved. But you do need to know what your code is doing and why.

Copilot is a shortcut to code that "works" with less requirement to know what's happening.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I thought we solved the boilerplate issue with templates and snippets like 30 years ago.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago

Not only that, but we solved it in a deterministic manner. The way LLMs go about it, by picking something they think sort of maybe looks like the right thing is more bother than it's worth.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's awesome for debugging for me.

Also helped me a few times with recursive logic.

As with any AI solution it's "garbage in. Garbage out."

Write your code normally. Then ask to generate comments? Add logging? Any tips for improvements?

You have to already know how to code so you know what to ignore.

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Exactly, ai only speeds up your coding, quality still depends on you

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

If I don't use copilot to give me a piece of best practice code, I'm probably going to go and find it with a search engine.

Obviously I'm not going to do it for every little thing but if I'm going to implement a * somewhere I screw with that what, once every 5 years?I'm going to go and look how someone else did it and probably take their exact implementation and make minor modifications.

I'm not an absolute copy and paste fiend but I don't have the time to reinvent the wheel every time I want to do something. For the most part it's faster to go and grab crowd vetted code from someone that it is to go back through my own stuff and source my own implementation in the last project. Hell, and a lot of cases there might even be a better implementation than I used the last time I borrowed it from someone else.