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has lemmy.world been going down these past few days or is it the app I use? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by PutangInaMo@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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For hours today, yesterday, and intermittently since I've been on here (a month or so) lemmy stops loading using jerboa, liftoff, and a web browser.

The site isn't listed on any down detector I know of, and each app gives different errors but ultimately just won't load.

It's often enough that recently when I consider jumping on here I just don't because there will probably be an issue. Ranging from not loading, JSON errors, or just blank screens and my comments not working..

What's going on? Is there a status page for these places?

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[–] antik@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I am sure that it has nothing to do with you having any financial gains hosting instances. And that you do it all for the good of federation: https://lemmy.world/comment/1510374

Yes you would do things differently if you were in our position.

@ruud@lemmy.world is very open about what comes in from donations in his monthly blog posts. He even links those in !lemmyworld@lemmy.world. Have a look: https://blog.mastodon.world/june-2023

He has the trust of every one involved. We are very thankful for the community supporting us as they do and it's not because income is more than expenses now that it will stay like that. We expect donations to drop off at one point. But whatever happens we will always be open about this. Even you linked to information that is freely available.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am sure that it has nothing to do with you having any financial gains hosting instances. And that you do it all for the good of federation.

Yes for both, without sarcasm. I don't think that the donation-based model is healthy or sustainable and I would rather see more service providers like mine.

Actually, I like to see more providers that can make real money and prove that this is feasible. I've been running communick for more than 3 years already, and it has been nothing but a small money pit. The managed hosting side of things is just barely breaking even.

[–] antik@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You just sound salty now that you quit your job to start a fediverse hosting company and it's not working out the way you want. Donation-based models have been used for ages and it worked for mastodon.world so why shouldn't it for lemmy.world? If donations and interest decreases we can always downscale.

Sorry you're not breaking even, seems like running a managed hosting service for lemmy is not feasible

[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 1 year ago

Donation-based models have been used for ages and it worked for mastodon.world

Maybe I wasn't clear on the blog post. There are two objections to donation-based funding:

  • unless everyone working on an instance is properly compensated, it's hard to say "it is working" or "it is sustainable"
  • it may work for particular instances, but it stunts the growth of the overall fediverse.

You might not see it that way, but my argument is that relying on donations hides the true costs of running the server from the users and (like in ad-funded business) distorts the "market" in a way that makes the overall system less efficient.