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[–] pudcollar@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

they just need marching orders and a coherent mass

They're not going to be permitted to be organized in any meaningful way. All they're gonna do is stochastic terrorism and isolated hate crimes. What are they gonna do, institute fascism? We're already there. That's why they were handled with kid gloves in the Capitol building, it's theirs already. Corporations already run both capitalist parties and they'll manipulate the masses to preserve the status quo. Who would a civil war be between? Who would be permitted by our corporate overlords to organize such a thing? What would their goals be? The real threat of fascism is once we hit the next depression and mass discontent needs to be smothered with totalitarian nationalism.

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I mostly agree with you. But this idea of "permission" doesn't grok. They don't need legal/corporate permission if they're being not-so-secretly empowered by the fascist mechanisms you have already alluded to. They don't need law if their organization is more powerful than (or actively colluding with) the enforcers of that law. If your alternative is overthrowing capitalism, is it such a stretch of the imagination that their solution is overthrowing democracy?

I don't know where the battle lines would be drawn. I've heard people make good-sounding arguments for urban vs rural, but I think the states supporting texas' border... policy... demonstrate an alarming willingness to defy federal authority. Further, the fact Brandon hasn't yet recalled them is powerfully suggestive, in my opinion, that he doesn't actually have de facto command of these units, despite his supposed authority as commander in chief. Further still, this article was incredibly chilling for me to read. We have acted on precisely none of these excellent suggestions since they were made three years ago. I don't hold out hopeful prospects of a peaceful solution here. The most likely avenue for peace qua peace in my opinion, is probably through a bloodless authoritarian coup. It would be a mistake to allow such an event to take place.