this post was submitted on 15 Feb 2024
506 points (97.6% liked)
NonCredibleDefense
6633 readers
1278 users here now
A community for your defence shitposting needs
Rules
1. Be nice
Do not make personal attacks against each other, call for violence against anyone, or intentionally antagonize people in the comment sections.
2. Explain incorrect defense articles and takes
If you want to post a non-credible take, it must be from a "credible" source (news article, politician, or military leader) and must have a comment laying out exactly why it's non-credible. Low-hanging fruit such as random Twitter and YouTube comments belong in the Matrix chat.
3. Content must be relevant
Posts must be about military hardware or international security/defense. This is not the page to fawn over Youtube personalities, simp over political leaders, or discuss other areas of international policy.
4. No racism / hatespeech
No slurs. No advocating for the killing of people or insulting them based on physical, religious, or ideological traits.
5. No politics
We don't care if you're Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Stalinist, Baathist, or some other hot mess. Leave it at the door. This applies to comments as well.
6. No seriousposting
We don't want your uncut war footage, fundraisers, credible news articles, or other such things. The world is already serious enough as it is.
7. No classified material
Classified ‘western’ information is off limits regardless of how "open source" and "easy to find" it is.
8. Source artwork
If you use somebody's art in your post or as your post, the OP must provide a direct link to the art's source in the comment section, or a good reason why this was not possible (such as the artist deleting their account). The source should be a place that the artist themselves uploaded the art. A booru is not a source. A watermark is not a source.
9. No low-effort posts
No egregiously low effort posts. E.g. screenshots, recent reposts, simple reaction & template memes, and images with the punchline in the title. Put these in weekly Matrix chat instead.
10. Don't get us banned
No brigading or harassing other communities. Do not post memes with a "haha people that I hate died… haha" punchline or violating the sh.itjust.works rules (below). This includes content illegal in Canada.
11. No misinformation
NCD exists to make fun of misinformation, not to spread it. Make outlandish claims, but if your take doesn’t show signs of satire or exaggeration it will be removed. Misleading content may result in a ban. Regardless of source, don’t post obvious propaganda or fake news. Double-check facts and don't be an idiot.
Join our Matrix chatroom
Other communities you may be interested in
- !militaryporn@lemmy.world
- !forgottenweapons@lemmy.world
- !combatvideos@sh.itjust.works
- !militarymoe@ani.social
Banner made by u/Fertility18
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Italy's? Dont you mean Greece's? Italians(romans) were just wannabe greeks, greekaboos. Literally every aspect of roman society is copied from the greeks. And luckily for us, greeks were one of the first people who started writing down shit, in a language we can understand, so there is no reason to go further back.
Its true. Many people believe that anal sex was invented by the italians, but that too was invented in ancient Greece. The romans merely took it and adapted it for use with women.
https://youtu.be/tesNuOg1C84?si=HsmlgBmTkFiSsmpj
I hear you're a racist now, Father!
Twitch that is some damn good bait
If we go back far enough, most countries in Eurasia today belong to Iraq (Mesopotamia) following that logic
Didn't human life evolve in modern day Ethiopian? So technically, every country belongs to Ethiopians and their descendants.
But since all humans are Ethiopian descendants, it should be all good in the neighborhood
Well maybe culturally influenced but Mesopotamia didnt "conquer" Greece. Well Persia conquered greek cities in western Anatolia(Turkey) but that happened later on. As i wrote, before classical Greece, you are basically entering a prehistoric era from which we only have myths and archeological artifacts. What little text we have from back then is either too limited or incomprehensible or non historically accurate(myths).
As far as Greece is concerned, there was the Minoan civilization(in the island of Crete and other islands), whose writing(linear A) has basically nothing in common with (ancient) greek. We still havent decyphered Linear A. They are the basis for the whole Atlantis myth and they were probably destroyed by a tsunami(Santorini's volcano going boom).
After them we had the Mycenaean civilization, which is a greek mainland one. They used linear B, which was between linear A and greek. We have mostly decyphered linear B. Myceneans are the trojan war greeks.
After that we had or maybe didnt have the "dorian invasion"(northern greeks? fucking/conquering the Myceneans??? noone knows), which caused cultural changes and many centuries of "dark age". And only after that we had the classical greek city states and the start of history.
History and national identities are very messy. And once you start going prehistoric, it is even more ridiculous. Which is why every country has artificially created its own national myth/history.
Does the Dorian period occur at the same time as The Bronze Age Collapse?
Yes.
I looked further into The Mycenaean Collapse, and it seems that the current archeological consensus seems to be that The Dorian Invasion didn't actually happen.
https://youtu.be/s-J8VGFG1Bg?si=eji1F0V-Klne0m2k
due to pedigree collapse, i claim ancestral rights to everything...
But if you go all the way back, all countries belong to Jeb!
If Greeks wanted the glory they should've beaten the Romans.
In your face, Plato!
Instructions unclear turned the Romans into Greeks.
On the other hand, Greeks clung onto the Roman identity for a really long time. And I mean even after being taken over by Ottomans.
Eastern Roman Identity. Long live Basileus kai Autokratōr Rhōmaíōn
Greek detected, opinion rejected.
Greeks did beat the romans. Imagine if the US militaraly/politically declined and Canada became the world's super power. Is Canada a thing? Not really, it is America's hat(if we exclude the weirdo frenchies). Canadians are culturally americans.
Do you think they watch canadians movies in the cinemas?
The romans might had military defeated the greeks but the greeks culturally dominated the romans. Romans took a lot of greeks to Rome and made learning the greek language "the fancy" thing that all educated and cultured romans expected to know.
Thats how eventually the Eastern Roman Empire(or Byzantine Empire, as the filthy westerners try to rebrand it), became more and more greek.
>Gets conquered and becomes a literal subject to the other state
>"Heh well we actually won because you like our culture"
Bit of a cope, innit
I mean it's an interesting thing. What does it mean to win? The Greeks had a very strong soft power and even while they were subjects they received special treatment because the Romans believed the Greeks were civilized.
In a different but similar way, the Jews ended up conquering the Roman Empire. After the Jewish rebellion a few decades after the death of Christ, the Romans sent a large army to take back Jerusalem.
They ended up sick and tired of the constant issues with the Jews so they made Judaism illegal and scattered the Jews they could. What was the end result of this?
Certain Jews who considered themselves Christian (which up until this point was a sect of Judaism) did their best to distance themselves from the Jews. They made their religion a little easier for Roman gentiles to understand and resonate with.
Eventually this religion scattered throughout the empire along with the Jews and became the state religion.
In an attempt to stamp out an annoying religion in the Middle East, the Romans inadvertently created the conditions for that annoying religion to take over the empire.
What does it mean to win? I'm not saying this to cope, like you pointed out. It's just an interesting discussion. And to bring it back full circle - the New Testament was written in Greek.
Paul, the writer of half of the New Testament was a Greek Jew. The Greeks once again influence the cultural fate of the Roman Empire.