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When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't this the same thing that Ukraine was saying in the lead-up to the invasion though? Maybe not the "join the Russians before they shoot a brother" part, but saying that the invasion wouldn't happen. It's been a year and a half, but I thought it was the US sounding the alarm bells in the run-up to the invasion, while everyone else was saying it wasn't going to happen.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine had been preparing for this invasion since Crimea 2014, so they were definitely not saying that

[–] dm_me_your_feet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Merkel played Putin for a fool with the Minsk treaty. Putin was dishonest in accepting the treaty, he always planned for a larger scale landgrab later on and started preparing for it. What he didn't see coming was that the west, especially Merkel (these two really hated each others guts) saw right through his lies and NATO started preparing Ukraine for the coming invasion. Add to this the lies and corruption of the russian agents in Ukraine, who pocketed funds meant to prepare the landgrab by paying off locals, and you have the gigantic failure the planned "one week special military operation" has become.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Merkel was happily making Germany reliant on Russian gas.

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and Merkel pushed for NS2 afterwards.

Merkel is absolutely not some NATO saviour.

[–] dm_me_your_feet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well the gas thing is complicated. Nearly every middle european country heavily relied on russian gas bc it was so damn cheap and gave them a competitive advantage. Europe was like a junkie on the needle "oh its not so bad nothing will happen". But the invasion was a wake up call, and action was taken. There is still much to do, dont get me wrong, but we have come a long way. Russian invasion finally paved the way to collective european action and acquisitions on the gas market and that has helped to prevent blackouts (that Russia no doubt wanted) and tame the insane prices we had for a while a little. Thing is, there isnt many good reliable options for the amounts of gas europe needs. Norway stepped in big time (and they are the only really reliable and democratic country delivering large quantities). Middle east countries come with their own problems and unreliablities and american LNG is very expensive bc of transport (and building LNG terminals in the capacity now required takes time). In the long run, we just need to use less fossil fuels and more renewables, but that cant be done in a year or even 10 years.