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submitted 4 months ago by Atemu@lemmy.ml to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.ml

Alex Deucher:

The HDMI Forum has rejected our proposal unfortunately. At this time an open source HDMI 2.1 implementation is not possible without running afoul of the HDMI Forum requirements.

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[-] Cirk2@programming.dev 136 points 4 months ago

Since we now have confirmation that an open implementation is legally impossible I would consider the HDMI forum to be a cartel and not a standarts comitee. Therefore it should be dismantled by anti-trust authorities asap.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

But displayport exists, is widely used and is free?

[-] Cirk2@programming.dev 22 points 4 months ago

Display Port has a standing in Computer Displays but is basically unheard of in Home Entertainment.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Doesn't mean displayport can't be used there.

If the tv maker wanted to not pay licensing fees, they could put a displayport on the thing. But they don't. Their call.

[-] Cirk2@programming.dev 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So the HDMI founders are Philips, Panasonic, Sony and Toshiba Known for their Players and in part TVs. The HDMI Forums consists of the rest of the TV Manufacturers and the big names in component Making (Analog Devices, NXP, Realtek, Qualcomm, etc.). So they are all members of a cooperation dedicated to "encouraging and promoting the adoption and widespread utilization of its Final Specifications". I hesitate to call their decisions on connectivity options unencumbered by interests.

oh btw: Anti-Trust does not require to there be no competing offer, just vast majority of market share.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Oh I know, but I do think anti-trust would require an erection of some sort of barrier. Say, if HDMI required that if HDMI is present, displayport cannot be.

Right now, tv makers are complete free to choose.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

No, that's not required. Microsoft was hit with antitrust despite users being able to install alternative browsers and even operating systems. The problem was that Microsoft was being anti-competitive by making competition more difficult, not that competition wasn't allowed.

You can certainly get a DP-to-HDMI adapter if you want, but that doesn't mean there's no anti-trust happening. If a new TV manufacturer can't reasonably enter the market due to the protocol being overly restrictive for most accessories, I can see that being grounds for an anti-trust case. If they want HDMI to be a standard, it needs to be open. If they don't, they need to provide alternatives in their products.

[-] Thorned_Rose@kbin.social 2 points 4 months ago

Not entirely their call. I have little sympathy for the likes of Sony, Samsung et al but they're also beholden to the entertainment industry which is very VERY pro-DRM (and the like). Open Source standards will make it much harder to lock down TVs and make it easier to pirate shit (or, you know, actually fully own your TV and do whatever the fuck you want with it). They won't be dropping those 'calls' any time soon, not unless pissing off the entertainment industry worked out as more profit.

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