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[โ€“] owen@social.ridetrans.it 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @heatofignition @mondoman712

However if we decide it's ok to make it expensive to own a car, we actually can envision a world where everyone lives within transit because people will choose to do that.

And the money we raise from fuel taxes -- which are mostly paid by wealthy and middle class earners -- can be used to actually expand transit.

[โ€“] ajsadauskas@aus.social 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

@owen @heatofignition @mondoman712 Here's where there is a big difference between the US and Australia.

The wealthiest parts of Australia's capital cities are in the inner-city, which already have access to good public transport.

The poorest areas tend to be the outer suburbs, where public transport is a half-hourly bus, and cycling involves navigating a six-lane stroad with no protected bike lane.

It's the opposite to the US, where in many metro areas the wealthiest white residents live in outer-suburban gated communities and the (often Black) working class have traditionally lived in the inner city.

The wealthiest suburbs in Melbourne are served by the (mostly inner-city) tram network. Toorak, Brighton, Kew, Camberwell, and increasingly Fitzroy.

And the poorest tend to be in the outer suburbs.

There's a whole history of why it played out differently to the US.

But the big factor for why someone lives in, say, Carrum Downs in outer southeast Melbourne (where the local public transport is by bus) is because it's all they can afford.

In the US, where the wealthiest people live in the outer suburbs, raising gas prices to encourage them to move to the inner city where there's better public transport would probably work.

The difference is that in Australia the wealthiest people actively avoid the outer suburbs.

It's the working class who tends to live in the outer suburbs.

Most Carrum Downs residents would gladly choose to live somewhere like Brighton or Toorak with good public transport. If they could afford it.

That means there needs to be decent alternatives to driving if you're going to increase the cost of driving.