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So I have a new installation of fedora, which I reinstalled because gdm would freeze and prevent me from logging in and using my computer. I then noticed the same problem on the new installation. I noticed that using an older kernel worked, but system upgrades will break gdm again. I don't want to have to never update my system. New distro? Suggestions to fix this? I ideally want an relatively bleeding edge distro.

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[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Applications disappearing from the launcher because you changed the greeter sounds very weird... And that's kinda what I mean. You had to give up on using this software, and instead go for an alternative, because of an issue that shouldn't even be related.

Granted, a lot of people are probably fine with it, and it sounds like an annoying issue to debug... But it still rubs me the wrong way.

You do raise a good point about replacing software - even just in my example I neglected to mention myself switching to pipewire a couple times and figuring out how they work. Interoperability between software is valuable and knowing you can always switch out one part of your system for an alternative is indeed a useful skill - I sometimes see people complaining about things like Linux's clipboard, or archive manager, being bad, something like that, without realizing that's just one option you can use.

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago

Applications disappearing from the launcher because you changed the greeter sounds very weird…

It overwrites PATH and XDG_DATA_DIRS when starting the DE, and doesn't source them from the standard places like .profile

You had to give up on using this software, and instead go for an alternative, because of an issue that shouldn’t even be related.

I didn't have to replace it, I could've for example modified its config or made a launch script that sets the envars correctly. I replaced it because I think it's the best solution, no need to deal with software that doesn't follow conventions when the only benefit is a prettier theme.

it sounds like an annoying issue to debug

It's not that bad if you know what could be causing it, and when I opened .xsession-errors everything was crystal clear.

I sometimes see people complaining about things like Linux’s clipboard, or archive manager, being bad, something like that, without realizing that’s just one option you can use.

I tried to explain that to win/mac users many times. It's weird to initially understand that everything is replaceable, and then you get overwhelmed with options.