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That's the only way to get it out without either slicing me open or forcing birth, and my right to my body means I will not be forced to do those things. That shit hurts and is dangerous, I do not have to hurt myself or put myself in danger for other people.
Remember that this was the law before fascists stole the court and if liberals weren't such stupid fucking cowards it still would be.
Or I can identify my enemies and defeat them.
You were defeated before and you will be defeated again. Never forget that we outnumber you.
So everyone you disagree with is a fascist? That's the spoiled kids reaction to disagreement.
You don't outnumber no one. Most of people are against total abortion ban, but also agains total freedom of abortion as you want.
Actually only 1/3 of the US population agree with abortion with no limits. So for each of you, there are 2 against you. You don't outnumber anyone.
If you say you want abortion up to 3 monthes, then you have 69% of the population with you. I'm probably under this 69%
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/15/gallup-survey-abortion-support-united-states
No, stealing the Court through undemocratic means is fascist and using that to make abortion illegal wherever they can is fascist.
Fifty-two percent of Americans say abortion is morally acceptable, according to your link, and there's only two sides to this debate. Are you anti-abortion or pro-abortion? There are no other choices, and the sooner you realize this the sooner we can defeat anti-abortion.
Stealing the court? He got elected and put his judges there as the law allows. Of course it's stupid that US law is this shit, but it's not stealing.
The article distinguishes between "being legal in first 3 monthes", "legal under any circumstances", "morally acceptable", "later term abortion", "second trimester abortion" and "final trimester abortion".
For your wish of total free abortion, with no time limite and whatever reason, the article says:
"At the same time, the survey showed 34% of Americans believe abortion should be legal under any circumstances". So, you are only 1/3.
I'm ok with abortion somewhere inside the first 2 or 3 monthes, and afterwards only in special cases like rape or risk to the women or fetus, or if the women/couple asked for abortion on the first trimester but the court was slow to answer.
For me, the later it is, the more reasons it has to be given to allow it
He lost the popular vote. He got elected because the US is not a democracy and undemocratic power is stolen from the People.
Then the Senate, itself an undemocratic institution that assigns power by State instead of by population size, made up new rules to give him two Justices. And doesn't even get into Gerrymandering and voter suppression and disenfranchisement and all the other undemocratic forms and structures within the US voting system.
It was stolen, and liberals let him steal it because he followed all the rules. Just because stealing is legal doesn't mean it isn't obviously stealing.
And my point is, in the real world, there are only two choices. Pro-choice and anti-abortion. That's it. You don't get to have your sooper speshul halfway position where you pick parts of one side and parts of another side and come to your own conclusion, you have to pick a side. Your or my personal individual opinion is irrelevant, all that matters are the two camps.
You have to choose.
And right now it sounds like you're picking the side that is banning abortion.
Your views that there's only extreme options is very unproductive.
You make people who could help you run away from you like that.
Let's agree to disagree. I learned some stuff in our conversation, but from now on any further interaction will not be beneficial to any of us