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On the other side of this, what I find really common is anyone who acknowledges the reality of how the US voting structure works is seen as a Biden Stan
"Hey maybe we should just elect the most popular candidate instead of potentially not electing the most popular candidate"
"HAHA LOOK AT THE LIBTARD"
First of all: least unpopular. Neither of them are very popular and most people would prefer that neither of them were amongst the two options.
Second, valid criticism ≠ voting against, not voting or telling anyone to do either.
Nothing wrong about acknowledging the reality of the system being a broken dichotomy, of course.
I'm talking about the people who shut down all valid criticism with the "but Trump is worse" whataboutism or "stop giving Trump ammunition" as if anyone sane didn't already know Trump is awful and as if the Mango Mussolini wouldn't just make shit up regardless..
That's completely fair critism is a healthy part of democracy.
If you think voting the DNC will fix anything YOU don't understand how the US voting structure works
I don't think that.
What do YOU think will work?
Eating won't fix cancer, so don't bother.
My guy: sometimes you do things to prevent new problems. Making nothing better still beats making everything worse.
> Republicans get elected and cause problems
> "How could the DNC do this?! Now I'm not gonna vote for Democrats!"
Fuck off.
A Republican appointed the judges that did the thing, which was only possible because another Republican singlehandedly created vacancies at every level, and your trolling ass wants to cleverly investigate who got elected after the fix was in.
None of which would have been possible if more people voted for Democrats.
We would now need more Democrats elected to fix it, than we would have needed to stop it. Even if we somehow get that, god willing, but then they don't fix it, their presence will stop Republicans from making it EVEN WORSE.
But you're not listening to a goddamn word of this because you just want to go "both sides" and jerk off about the moral superiority of your complete worthless inaction.
Not-fixing beats making-worse.
I am directly telling your point to go fuck itself.
Stop letting the worse party get in, ever! Fuck your emotions! This is hard practical logic - you're not being asked to pledge loyalty and devotion, you're being asked which set of assholes gets to be in power. Stop letting the worse assholes take power.
Also fuck your hypocrisy "holding issues over heads" when you keep namedropping Roe v. Wade and blaming the party that didn't make it worse for not stopping the the party that made it worse.
Worse things happen when they're not in power.
Mewling 'but that's not ideal!' isn't news.
That's because it's a common argument of Biden stans. It's pretty telling that they can't think of anything good to say about their candidate, so instead it's this stuff.
There's a lot of good and bad.
Bad - Supporting Israel financially, forcing the rail workers back to work from their strike, his environmental policies seem half hearted.
Good - Forgiving large amounts of student loan debt, having his cabinet work with the DEA at reclassifing weed while promoting the idea publically, putting billions into Urban reconstruction to help cities become less dependent on roads and more accessible for the least fortunate.
It's more nuanced than he's great or awful. He's just better. As it often ends up coming to in American politics.
As an aside I long for multi choice voting.
Ok I’ve seen sources for the bad. Do you have sources for good that actually involve his intervention? I refer to the fact that the loan debt cancellations so far would have happened under any other administration. I ask what actual progress has the DEA undertaken if we are still having same discussion after four years. I refer to the “American Rescue Plan” being a literal extension of the “CARES Act” (So again not his plan). Please tell me what he has done that would not have been accomplished by a plank of wood?
No yeah that totally sounds like a healthy way to engage in debate.
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Not to detail this but that is a new one for me. What is a Stan?
an incredibly obsessed fan, usually to an unhealthy degree, but often used ironically to just mean “big fan”. named after the character stan from the eminem song stan.
It's basically a synonym for simp.
"an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular person or thing"
Have you ever heard the Eminem song stan?
Yeah, but people also have blinders as to how the actual voting structure works. If you're in CA/NY for dems or AL/MS for repubs, your vote basically doesn't matter since those places will go blue/red no matter what, so you're 100% free to vote for the person/platform you actually like! Any insinuation that you might vote for someone other than Biden is met with immediate scorn and ridicule.