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Russia will be asked for ceasefire during Olympics, Macron tells Ukraine interviewer (www.cnbc.com)

submitted 7 months ago by CAVOK@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.de

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[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and the original question can be interpreted as either "why are warmongers not disinvited?" in which case, well, we all know Israel will never get booted, so there's your answer, or, "why is Russia, in particular, not disinvited?", which, seeing as the response was an immediate accusation of bad faith, I feel is more accurate. Hence the "personal dislike" take. I once heard the war in Ukraine described as the geopolitical equivalent of the Missing White Woman Syndrome: Off the top of my head, I can think of 4-5 other, let's say, nurembergy conflicts in the past four years (wow that's depressing), but for some reason none of them induce neither the level outrage, nor the hostility to anyone not sharing the level of outrage. Hell, I've seen Armenians leaving Nagorno-Karabah actually cheered, because "they deserve it for being Russian allies". I find the moral grandstanding to be despicably hollow.

Don't get me wrong, though, the Olympics are a joke.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago

which, seeing as the response was an immediate accusation of bad faith, I feel is more accurate

And here's your problem. You are assuming this, even though he made it clesr thst he didn't appreciate how you assumed we are fine with all the other countries. Nobody said that, and we are not, so no, the first statement was more accurate. Which is also pretty logical, because we are talking about Russia this way BECAUSE of the warmongering, and not because "it's Russia".

And I'm pretty sure the bad faith accusation came specifically BECAUSE you are distracting from this with whataboutism.

It's like saying "we should get rid of Kim Jong Un" and someone else going "ok but what about Xi Jin Ping" - there's no reason to bring this up unless you wanna confront the original argument with distraction or a slippery slope argument.

If you agree, say it like I proposed to you. If you don't, because:

for some reason none of them induce neither the level outrage, nor the hostility to anyone not sharing the level of outrage That's whataboutism and it's dangerous. No need to assume it's only a Russia thing.

Maybe Russia was the point where people were fed up with it, maybe the media didn't report enough about the other conflicts, maybe ppl didn't have the energy to be outraged every time, ...

Don't attribute anything to malice that can be described through different means. The world is complex.