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Do you daily drive Wayland, if so since when, if not when will you? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 8 months ago by headroom@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I've been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).

I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn't go nuts either.

Made me think maybe people aren't actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.

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[–] hackerwacker@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Do you think every single app should have permissions to screen record without you knowing, to keylog without you knowing?

Can you point me to a single notable breach that happened because of this?

Classical security thinking is that if you have a compromised app running, it's all over anyway, and it's time to wipe and reinstall. Luckily, this isn't a problem on Linux because packages are vetted by distributions maintainers... unless...

Unless the new plan is to transition from that to flatpak proprietary stores packaged by unknown developers, giving us trashware app stores like on Android and Windows.

Sure, if you expect to run proprietary malware on Linux then some protection might be useful. But then you're just running a shitty version of Windows, and not getting the historical cultural benefits of Linux anyway. Might as well run Windows.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That is NOT classical security thinking AT ALL, and anybody who told you that is lying to you. Classic security thinking says minimize the surface area of attack...

...I'm sorry but your core argument seems to be "it's okay that clients can do literally whatever they want because if you run anything proprietary you should be using windows" and I don't understand this all-or-nothing stance. Do you expect me to vet every line of code that runs on my PC to make sure it's safe? Do you think everyone should do that? Do you think the operating system should be designed so that grandmas are required to read code before they install software?

I'm sorry but this is just so obviously terrible design, I don't know how you think gatekeeping solves anything, and that seems to be all you're doing. Shitty clients shouldn't be able to wreck peoples lives/computers, and we should minimize the amount of damage shitty clients can do. You also seem to believe that everyone is cognizant of the fact that they've been infected with something, in reality, you will go months or even decades without knowing you've been hit in some cases, we should minimize the amount of damage that can cause, not give them full access to everything on the entire pc because you think we should check every piece of software that runs.

There aren't newsworthy breaches involving x.org because it's widely regarded as not to be trusted, and has been for so long that nobody uses it for anything that needs security.

Flatpak is great and has a verification system so you know when the app is by the developer... It's sandboxed so the clients can't do as much damage, this is significantly easier for users to manage and prevents terrible things while not limiting anybodies usecase and allowing apps to be packaged for every distro at once. That's pretty awesome, actually, and you can use different repos if you don't trust flathub, i'm sure once flathub does something bad there will be alternate "more secure" ones.

Either way, I don't want to live in the world where you make the choices for software, it seems like you want a world where everyone needs a license to use their computer.

[–] hackerwacker@lemmy.ml -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you smoking dude, X11 is used all over the place

and we should minimize the amount of damage shitty clients can do.

Can't have global shortcuts or share my screen but at least my system is secure from these non-existent threats snort

Why don't I just smash my computer with a sledgehammer for the ultimate protection from flatpak malware.

[–] Communist@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Global shortcuts and screenshare are supported fully...

also the places where a newsworthy leak would happen do not use x11 and/or carefully vet their software. The average user should not need to do that, it would be bad design to make them