the people in Gaza did nothing wrong, and so did the Jews. can't we just disband Hamas and give Gaza under UN control until we figure out a long term solution, Israel may not like that, but do they really want a stronger version of Hamas to form like that happened in lebadon.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As a Jewish person they are settler colonialists, not innocent civilians.

[–] halva@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

random israelis have as much of a right to live there as palestinians do (and vice versa), it's not written on the land that jewish/arabic/literally whatever else people should be banned from ever living there

the issue is that the israeli government seems to disagree, especially the genocidal maniacs from likud, especially netanyahu

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Some were just born there. Idk if visiting the sins of ancestors on children clever. Defs needs to be some sort of reconciliation process and evening the wealth and land held by all who live there.

Nfi how this will happen. Truthtelling and reconciliation is barely happening in other colonial nations with significantly less oppression and hatred towards the native people :(

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Visiting the sin's of ancestors on children is kind of the entire point of religion isn't it?

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What the Kentucky fried fuck does this have to do with the price of beans?

Also just what? there are religions that have nothing to do with concepts of sin or karma or whatever.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Edit: reading comprehension

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 6 months ago

We'll also need to oust the current Israeli government and ban Netanyahu from being re-elected. This is all at least as much his fault as it is Hamas's, he's been building it for decades, and if he is allowed to retain office, he'll just do it again.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If I broke into your house and claimed the top floor, would you be ok with the whole thing being enforced by the police, until "we figure out a (new and more favorable to me) long term solution"? I highly doubt it.

We already have a long term solution. Specifically a two state solution where Israel gives back the land it illegally stole. Its just that Israel has no intention of following international law.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The current Israeli government does reject a two state solution, but historically it has been the PLO and PA and Hamas who have rejected these plans going back almost 100 years.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

im okay with that solution

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would encourage you to read the history of the conflict going back to Mandatory Palestine. Gaza was not made into what it is on day one. Many attempts have been made for both secular unification, and peaceful partition, and it has generally been the Arab population which have rejected these plans, even when given significant majority power over the legislature in the original Palestine plan. They refused a 60% guaranteed Islamic majority because it would have 20% guaranteed Jewish representation.

Obviously the modern day Palestinians had no say in that, and every new generation of innocents is absolutely justified in their radicalization. But make no mistake the role religion has played in sustaining this conflict.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

The concept of Transfer in Zionist thought and the displacement of Palestinians since the 1920s culminated into a full fledged ethnic cleansing campaign in 1948

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948

Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.

Plan Dalet

Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948)

Partition and later the Two-State Solution have been wielded by Israel to covet and annex as much Palestinian land as possible with the least amount of Palestinians.

Before 1948, Palestinian Leadership repeatedly advocated for a Unitary Binational State for decades.

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948

Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928

Arab Higher Committee advocating for Unified State 1937

Arab League advocating for Unified Binational State 1948

After the founding of Israel, the Two-State Solutions were utilized to further annex the Palestinian Occupied Territories and enact military control over Palestinians while denying them human and civil rights. Despite this, both Fatah and later Hamas have accepted a Two-State Solution on the 1967 borders, with the two most important factors being the Right of Return of Palestinian refugees and an end to the permanent occupation.

Oslo Accords MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

History of peace process

[–] bonus_crab@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

'Just disband hamas' - this war has actually made them much more popular among palestinians. source

Most palestinians think hamas was justified in the oct 7 attack and 44% support them in their goal to eradicate israel.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

then fuck them