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[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This feels very "just found out about politics and damn" tbh.

The game isn't really teaching anything of note beyond "private entities have their own interests," which anyone who would even find this compelling already knows.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This feels very "just found out about politics and damn" tbh.

Ok.

I think this would be of value for sharing with people that aren't aware (my kid when she was younger).

Or is there a better resource to do this?

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

if you want something on media , censorship, spin, ect? I'd say Not for Broadcast is pretty good.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 6 months ago

The Westport Independent? This feels like it'll expire

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 months ago

Coming at this from an IT perspective, a lot of things that people "already know" seem to evaporate when it's time to actually apply that knowledge. Keeping that in mind, I think a game like this helps to cement the idea in people's heads in a more intuitive way. It bridges the gap between system 1 and system 2 thinking.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Most people seem to "never have found out about politics" yet seeing how they consume all newspaper content without critical thinking.

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Everyone consumes whatever they agree with with less critical thinking, it's an absolutely normal bias to have and nobody is immune.

That's why when you hear someone say "I do my own research" you don't think "this person must be highly educated" but rather "this person listens to 'alternative' media."

Just because you consume a different kind of propaganda, doesn't make you wiser, it makes you have a different set of biases.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's also important to remember that being aware of the psychological effects of something does not make you immune to those effects, or even consistently lessen them in a measurable way.

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Placebo works even when the subject knows it's a placebo.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's a difference between placebo and plain ignorance

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-the-placebo-effect

A study led by Kaptchuk and published in Science Translational Medicine explored this by testing how people reacted to migraine pain medication. One group took a migraine drug labeled with the drug's name, another took a placebo labeled "placebo," and a third group took nothing. The researchers discovered that the placebo was 50% as effective as the real drug to reduce pain after a migraine attack.

The researchers speculated that a driving force beyond this reaction was the simple act of taking a pill. "People associate the ritual of taking medicine as a positive healing effect," says Kaptchuk. "Even if they know it's not medicine, the action itself can stimulate the brain into thinking the body is being healed."

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But pain is a different context to sociology

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, pain is more tangible and actually experienced, whereas what society actually looks like is 99% vibes and personal biases.

So this applies even more to sociology than to painkillers.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Take how many people think they can't be racist. Pain is also a psychological effect.

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

What the fuck are you talking about? These two things aren't even remotely alike.

[–] smnwcj@fedia.io -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Such a hater comment to make. Woof.

First, shitting on folks who are new to left politics and (god forbid) harbor excitement for these new insights. At least we have folks leaving comments like this to grind that eagerness out of them.

Then, it failed a narrow expectation you fully put on it. Maybe it was using an a medium to express an idea in a novel way. What a concept. Let's call it Art. It can be something other than homework.

You're allowed to not be into it and express why, and if you have ideas for improving it, even better. But essentially saying "I'm above the target audience and it's pointless"...cool, share something you made

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

First, shitting on folks who are new to left politics and (god forbid) harbor excitement for these new insights. At least we have folks leaving comments like this to grind that eagerness out of them.

Christ on a pike, "enthusiastic about politics" is probably the worst thing you could ever be, it only leads to pie in the sky idiocy and utopianism.

Yes, please let's grind that down as fast as possible, politics is a pragmatic exercise like doing groceries and taking a shit, you shouldn't be excited about it. The only people excited by politics are fanatics and zealots and we could do with a lot fewer of those on all sides right now.

Then, it failed a narrow expectation you fully put on it. Maybe it was using an a medium to express an idea in a novel way. What a concept. Let’s call it Art. It can be something other than homework.

Yeah, God forbid I use my experience of the medium to judge a piece of art.

All this is, is a more biased, more cut down version of games like Papers, please, Not for Bradcast, or The Westport Independent, that doesn't even use its gameplay loop to really give any direct experience of the issue it's trying to showcase.

Having played it until I got bored of it, the only feeling reinforced through the gameplay is "boy i wish I could read faster".

It doesn't even leverage the idea that you need to send newspapers to print, allowing you to plan your front page to build a more coherent narrative, you literally just need to constantly swap articles in and out of the paper as if people's copies would change in real time. It doesn't account for the appearance of bias or conflicting interests between the parties you want to keep happy. It lacks nuance and a proper understanding of how to evoke what feeling through gameplay.

So, yeah, I think it's banal and aggressively poorly thought out, not even mediocre but genuinely bad. Are you going to argue otherwise or are you just gonna say I'm being too harsh or unfair?

And before you highlight that this is free, so is The Westport Independent, and it's been out for almost 10 years (god I feel old).

But essentially saying “I’m above the target audience and it’s pointless”…cool, share something you made

LOL I'm not about to dox myself to prove a stranger wrong, if you want to feel like you have successfully defended your point because you want to think I couldn't have pulled this crap off, feel free to do so.

My criticism stands on its own regardless of my own output or even of myself as a source for it.