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There is an extreme prevalence of Nazis in the post-Euromaidan Ukrainian government, military (e.g. Azov), etc.
That is not the same thing as saying “all Ukrainians are Nazis”
That's just not true. The azov battalion HAD a problem with it but it was mostly dealt with prior to the current conflict. The rest of what you said is more Russian propaganda
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-russia-invasion-far-right-training
please man this is embarrassing, I will pick out some extremely concerning quotes if you want, but this was written literally the month right before the conflict went into full swing
Yeah?
1st) buzzfeed 2nd) the whole article is talking about the concern that the azov battalion could gain polotical/social favor by fighting for ukraine .. like it did in 2014.
Yes the above battalion was fully of extremists. . Yes right up until the annexation of crimea they had been on a downward trajectory with regard to recruitment, socio and political power. After the intial conflicts in 2014 there was a a resurgence. The us military refused to work with anyone known to have been associated with the battalion and/or far right extremism- so there was kind of a whitewashing that went on internally.
Your war is literally the thing that is giving azov battalion more clout in Ukraine. Whereas if you'd just left it alone ukraine was on track to cleaning up corruption and extremism.
Which is more than likely exactly why russia invaded- the country was headed towards future stability and closer relations to Europe and the west.
also Azov didn't even exist until 2014 wtf are you typing??????
In the depressingly binary Marvel movie worldview of the liberal, the only reason not to uncritically kneel down and start kissing the sonnenrad is if you're already kissing a framed photo of Vladmir Putin instead. Really goes to show why the US "Defense" Department was so eager to sponsor those flicks.
Technically correct- it didn't as the azove group. It was a few different groups beforehand that was brought together. I don't remember the names off hand but my point still stands. Russia invaded ukraine twice and that is what keeps azov as a relevant force.
so first you claim that
which sounds like you saying that the azov battalion had a problem with nazis and then they got the nazis out of azov, and you would not be the first hapless liberal bootlicker I've seen say that because they read articles saying after February 2022. but whatever, I guess you mistyped and you meant that the various nazi groups banded together, and I'm supposed to read your mind and know you mistyped. I'm not arguing about what exactly was happening in 2014, I'm kinda tired of dealing with this
shit
Nah mate as I said- they were on the track to cleaning up extremism. Already explained how they came together under that name vs them being the same people from other groups beforehand. Then again how they had to kindof clean up their act after crimea. You don't go from having a problem to suddenly being 100% fixed. It takes time - which russia hasn't allowed and actively tries to destabilize.
Is there a point for us to come up with a response or will you just dismiss it as “Russian propaganda” while assuming everything US outlets say as fact?
Buddy I KNOW us media lies. I also know Russian media lies. I don't follow US propaganda any more than I do Russian. Sorry you can't see that for yourself.
I do speak to things I've seen and been involved with myself though. I spent significant time in Ukraine. Became familiar with alot of the politics involved.