My favorite solution for storage of excess power is closed loop pumped hydro. Two bodies of water of different elevations are connected by a generator/pump. When there is too much power, the pump moves the water to the higher lake. When the power is needed, the water flows through the generator to the lower lake.

[–] greysemanticist@lemmy.one 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This could also be made more "local" with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed-air_energy_storage or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_energy_storage and not reliant on the difference of elevations.

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I was talking with an engineer about using a closed loop hydro system at home, maybe in a tower. He said the water wouldn't have enough head to generate electricity. But that compressed air energy storage just might be the solution I was looking for.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago

the other arguably more effective option for home use is dumping it into heat. Heating up water is a great heat storage solution for radiant heating for instance. Getting that energy back out is arguably harder, but hot water is also pretty useful, so.

[–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Hydrogen fuel cells also. Use the excess to make hydrogen which is simple to store and then use it as a fuel to burn when you have demand. These have started to be put at the bottom of wind turbines so they don’t need to be stopped when the wind is blowing but there is no grid demand.

All these systems help balance the grid too meaning these renewables can be used as base loads instead of dirtier base load generators like coal or gas fire stations.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

hydrogen which is simple to store

Hydrogen is famously not simple to store. This is part of the reason that SpaceX rockets use kerosene instead of hydrogen despite the better performance.

[–] MyCoffeeCupIsLife@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Be careful that other rockets run on liquid hydrogen, which should be kept extremely cold. That is the main problem for them. That being said, hydrogen is indeed not easy to store and transport.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

True. Liquid hydrogen takes something that's already difficult to work with and adds even more complexity to the system.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i mean, conceptually it's simple to store, you put it in a container, the tricky part is doing it effectively, in a way that won't create a massive bomb. And also at density.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Conceptually, yes, it's like putting it into a container. But it's also made up of the smallest atoms possible, which means it leaks out through a lot of materials. It also reacts with other materials - which makes it a good rocket fuel - but it also corrodes materials it comes in contact with in innovative and frustrating ways.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

tell that to the big hydrogen storage industry, im sure they'd love to sell you a subscription for hydrogen storage vessels :)

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