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Hell yeah, please ban declawing. It's inhumane. And no, I'm not a nut or even a vegetarian (and nothing wrong with vegetarians), I'm just sane.
Being vegan is the "just sane" response to learning what we do to animals and the impact animal agriculture has on the environment π€·
can you give an example?
i'm genuinely curious because outside of spiritualism type nonsense the information i've found in online and in-person american vegan communities has been pretty solid, and i'd like to know if i've been lied to.
Yeah idk what this person is on about, the vast majority of vegans are completely regular people that just want to reduce their environmental impact, you wouldn't even know they were vegan unless you asked.
Not in the US, they're preachy af here
How many vegans have you crossed paths with in your life?
Dozens. That I know of. About 2/3 of them were the preachy type.
Do you see?
Fish don't know they're in water...
I once was at a social gathering where two vegans were arguing about who was more vegan. It was exhausting.
I'm a level 5 vegan. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.
Easy. Use bright lighting to remove shadows, eat whatever.
I'd be opening up a can of worms that I'm not sure I have the mental energy to organize, source, and talk about in length right now. I will say that if you've found a tolerant and science-accepting vegan group, that's super awesome and honestly not as common as it should be.
Here's a few veeeery summarized points:
i agree that many vegans have wacky/woowoo/incorrect beliefs and it's a real shame, but a broken clock is right twice a day
Animals eat animals
Humans are animals
er, nevermind
Speaking as a heavy windows gamer who has Linuix as servers and workstations for over 20 years...
lemmy moment
Block all communities that talk about star trek, linux, and "fuck cars", your life will get a lot better
My life is pretty healthy, free, and optimistic as a cycling Linux-using trekkie.
Thank you for informing me of that.
Brother. π²π§πΈ
I think a big issue with lots of vegans is that they don't know how capitalism works. People think that capitalism is just supply and demand, so if people don't buy dairy or meat less animals will be slaughtered. But that just isn't how it works. They can just raise the demand by making Got Milk campaigns and lobbying the government. Not buying a steak at the grocery store is not going to change the behavior of a multi-million dollar company even if hundreds of people go vegan.
Well obviously hundreds of people going vegan isn't going to make much of a difference, because we have billions of people.
That doesn't mean an individual vegan can't make a difference by spreading their lifestyle.
It's just like any moral improvement: an individual should not expect that their individual actions are going to change the world.
Also yes, there's no 1-to-1 correspondence between more vegans in a particular neighborhood, and cows not being born and then slaughtered. It's understood that these two pools are too far abstracted for tracing farm animals to meat eaters.
But the same problem is true of voting too. So if a vegan shouldn't expect to make a difference by converting others to veganism, then a citizen shouldn't expect to make a difference by voting either.
Voting through an actual voting system is much more direct then the "voting with your wallet" approach that many vegans talk about.
It may be βdirectβ but itβs not a real form of power. Nobodyβs vote changes the world, unless theyβre in an election with a spread of one.