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[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Why are you trying to make them defend Khrushchev? It's hard to find someone who agrees with anything else the guy did, but sending in the tanks to put down an uprising co-opted by nazis is pretty unambiguously good, though history tells us he didn't do enough to purge the Hungarian right.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Khrushchev did literally nothing wrong. Khrushchev spent his entire time in office being the only person trying to build international communism, and basically every single good thing that happened from the 50s and until he was ousted can be traced to him.

I am the corn stan. And unless you hate Cuba and you think apartheid and colonialism was the tits you better start putting some respect on his name.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Khrushchev did literally nothing wrong

screm-a AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was not expecting a HexBear struggle session in the dev AMA lol.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I happen to hold the controversial opinion that siding with the great Satan and fascists is bad, and supporting decolonial movements and socialist movements around the world is good. Which means Nikita is literally the only good leader of a major power since the 1950s.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

OK, two things he did right.

The fallout from the sinosoviet split and destalinization can't be overstated though.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

I think they can be overblamed on him. The corncob in charge may have fucked up majorly with regards to destalinzation. I'll even grant you that it's 100% a bad decision and 100% his fuck up. We can even pretend he was the only guy who wanted to do and it was never gonna happen without him and he is entirely to blame. That does not in any way justify splitting the international communist movement to go play around with the US, a flawed socialist country is still better than the great Satan

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

siding with the great Satan and fascists is bad

Claiming they sided with fascists is fucking absurd. Don't spread this revisionist shit all you're doing is reinforcing anticommunism.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are we saying that the khmer rouge are not fascists? Because I don't feel comfortable calling them anything but fascist.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I read your comment as referring to the soviets not china. I still don't understand why you even brought them into it though. It reads like trying to cause as much drama as possible.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

First off, obviously. Secondly I'm bringing in China because someone mentioned the split. I can't actually follow my own thread since it won't show me who replied to who except the newest post. Also why would I mention any bad things the Soviets did when I'm arguing that he didn't do anything wrong.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

God I hate this bug.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think they're referring to Chinese support of the Khmer Rouge. Obviously they're not the ones who engineered the coup that put Pol Pot's faction in power (see America), but not siding with the USSR and Vietnam against them was a p big L.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I didn't read it as that because it's a really weird non sequitur. Like someone just dumping as many controversial things into the thread as possible.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Correct, this isn't a serious discussion, I don't genuinely disagree with everything Kruschev did other than sending the tanks into Hungary and supporting Cuba, nor attribute everything the USSR did during that time to Kruschev; I imagine H3doubehockeysticks has more nuanced takes on the USSR and China.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't the way he implemented centralized light industry pretty bad? Like didn't it destroy a lot of already existing organizations?

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

I genuinely have no idea.