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I don't know some of these flags. Can someone tell me which is which?
Jordan intercepted missiles and drones
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-the-u-s-forged-a-fragile-middle-eastern-alliance-to-repel-irans-israel-attack-4a1fbc00
Paywall: https://archive.ph/O8tS1
Do you also have links explaining why the other two hate Iran? I'm really out of context here
Iran’s state religion is a different sect of Islam that stands alone as the only country that follows that branch of Islam. The two branches mutually believe the other branch is turbo-heretics that need to die. Tends to make relations between Iran and other countries nearby a bit tense…
Mostly yes. Iraq has a democratically elected Shia government. But Iraq has very good reasons to hate Iran too.
For the others, it seems to be Iran's stirring up of Shia rebellions inside their territory and how easily they will unilaterally decide to shoot at ships when they need their population to hate the US more than their own government.
A great point, Iraq specifically has very good reasons to hate Iran. Combined with their shit stirring within their neighbors borders, and poking the US which of course just invites American military equipment to hang around the area, they are a pretty not great country to have as a neighbor.
Saudis are in long term proxy war against Iran in Yemen, but it's also Iran funding their proxies everywhere and stirring shit. Saudis like to be on good terms with US so they tend to play lawfully, at least when they're not assassinating journalists or committing human rights abuses. Basically lots of Middle East is caught in regional power struggles between Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and to some degree Egypt, and also Pakistan if you zoom out a little, but they tend to be less involved. Main covert shit-stirrer is Iran however. Qatar and UAE also try to pull their own things, but they only really have money (and Al Jazeera, owned by Qatar)
Egypt is currently basically a dictatorship and Hamas, which is iranian proxy, has very good relations with Muslim Brotherhood, which is part if opposition. Sisi generally wants to have normal relations with Israel, because stable Israel is for Egypt a buffer against many of their enemies and also he doesn't like to have islamist bombings if he can help it
Jordan is a relatively stable western ally, they have very stable government, so stable that they didn't have arab spring induced change of government (i'll leave for you to guess why). They are however broke compared to Israel which limits their options. There are french airbases there and french radar data were used in shooting down drones, and Jordanian air force intercepted some of them
Soooooooo I’d imagine right now the justification for this meme is that while Israel is out there fucking shit up and being generally awful they’re doing it “locally” and with a “goal”.
Iran launching drones and shit at Israel has a very real and serious possibility of blowing the whole Middle East into armed conflict.
It’s like when the bully is beating up your sibling BUT the bully has made it clear they won’t fuck with you unless you hop in the fight, and Iran is the brother who hopped in the fight with a wild reckless haymaker that didn’t quite land (because the bully punched Iran in the process)
Also, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are US allies. Egypt is more of a “I guess we ok but don’t fuck around” status but generally would probably prefer armed conflict all across the Middle East to not break out.
Egypt's government needs the weapons that its treaty with the US requires America to provide, given certain conditions. As a result, Egypt is extremely averse to pissing off the West or to interfering in Israeli affairs (this latter fact is also helped by the fact that a strong Israel buffets Egypt from most regional conflicts.
You’re correct, I left that part out of my example but added it in.
No, Iran didn't jump in with a haymaker. This was a response for Israel bombing a place in Iran and killing a general or some shit. This is distinctly not Iran injecting themselves.
Israel has been by far the biggest aggressor and they are the ones risking a broader conflict.
Kinda worse, actually. Israel bombed an Iranian consulate in Syria. So they bombed Iranian diplomats (and consulates and embassies are, IIRC, legally part of the country that runs them) to kill someone that they said was part of the 7 Oct Hamas assault. That's a really, really big provocation.
Keep in mind that, despite everything, the US still has an embassy running in Moscow. So, yeah, bombing a consulate/embassy is a Really Big Fucking Deal.
Iran was using consulate for its own military stuff, and the targeted person was commander of one of iranian proxies. That's well beyond diplomatic standards of what is supposed to happen in consulates, but Israel could just as well target that general outside of consulate
I wish I hadn’t forgotten that there’s an Emoji for every flag. Thank you.