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Apparently, it's rare for lawyers to draw objections during their opening statements, but it happened twice for Trump's team today and the judge sustained both objections.

MSNBC Commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XetPGnx0M

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[–] downpunxx@fedia.io 92 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I will continue to remind everyone getting sucked in by these ridiculously optimistic headlines, that it only takes one juror on the take to nullify any verdict, and if you don't believe that's in play, I would like to have some of whatever it is you are smoking.

[–] ifGoingToCrashDont@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A single juror can hold up the delivery of a verdict, but they can't "nullify" it after it's been delivered.

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

To clarify: In jury nullification the verdict doesn't get nullified. The law does. The scenario of jury nullification involves a guilty defendant going free due to the juror's principles--and it's immaterial whether those principles are founded in reason, truth, morality, sound jurisprudence, or sanity.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately so. Like I would do my best to jury nullify any marijuana case. But the history in jury nullification is allowing racists to do lynchings. Repugnant.

[–] downpunxx@fedia.io -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

they won't "hold up the delivery of a verdict" lol, what, jury nullification occurs when on juror votes against the majority, rendering any agreement impossible, leading to a mistrial, or in some cases a complete reversal

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Jury nullification is when the entire jury finds someone not guilty when they clearly are. A mistrial or a jury failing to render a verdict is not jury nullification.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

This. If it's a hung jury they aren't found "not guilty". They can be retried. If the jury collectively renders a not guilty verdict, they can't be tried again.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Juror #2 follows trump on truth social. Nullification is very much a danger!

[–] dharwin@kbin.social 3 points 4 months ago

I think Juror #2 sees Truth Social posts via a mirror on Twitter, and also follows a lot of liberals. It's not the threat that it seems.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Did the prosecution also run out of strikes? What the fuck.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And then we have to look at the fact that if he is guilty... What the fuck is going to happen. Do we really think that's going to be the fucking end of him? Or is it just going to be another minor speed bump?

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If found guilty, you can guarantee he’ll appeal. At this point, he’s probably calculated that he can keep ANY lawsuit going longer than he’ll live.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Sure he can appeal. But he'll still begin serving his sentence while that is happening.

[–] OpticalMoose@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

I'll admit that I usually try to stay away from the obviously biased sources (Rawstory, MSNBC, MeidasTouch, etc) but sometimes I have a bad day and just can't help myself.