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Farmers warn food aisles will soon be empty because of crushing conditions: 'We are not in a good position' (www.yahoo.com)

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 5 months ago

What did you mean, then?

It's two very different things, agribusiness and actual farmers. Agribusiness is the source of a lot of suffering in the world, and no small part of it gets heaped directly on the farmers who actually make the food which they monopolize and sell. I actually think a lot of your comment is extremely accurate when applied to agribusiness.

You didn't say agribusiness, though, you said farmers. And you brought up a comparison of farmers' complaints about failing harvests to agribusiness's complaints about regulation or subsidies. I don't think it's sensible to minimize complaints about failing harvests and I don't think the comparison you made between the two things was reasonable.

Does that seem fair? If I've misunderstood something then you can always clarify, but I reread it and my reaction is exactly the same the second time around. What did you mean; who are some examples of some of these farmers who always complain? When you talk about wanting guaranteed prices, for example, I instantly think of people wanting to be able to paid a sustainable rate for the food they grow, instead of a barely-subsistence rate with the conglomerate that buys their produce keeping 110% of the profit and exposing them to the full brunt of the marketplace risk. Seems pretty reasonable to me. No?