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This mindset is the reason Democrats keep loosing. Saying I'm better than the alternative, only can work so many times. Most people are aware that Biden would be better than the alternative on all issues, but not showing up to vote, is the only way in the broken American political system to show that you had enough with the bullshit.
Democrats act like it's your duty to protect their position in power, even when they actively refuse to listen to what you want. They stab you in the back time and time again, and then they go on national television and say that YOU are responsible for protecting the democracy. How about they do something to protect the democracy?
Actively NOT voting for somebody who is "less bad" than the other guy is an act of stupidity I can never comprehend.
If you’ve got a better plan I’m all ears, but I’ve never seen any actual alternative proposed.
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Lmao what? No it's not. It's the ultimate act of capitulation. It says nothing more than "Do what ever you want to me, I don't care"
Yeah, that's cool, then, let's get this "I'll be a dictator on day one" insurrectionist back in there. You won't have to worry about another vote after that. That'll show those Dems.
I genuinely don't care if Amerika perpetuates. I think I'd actually rather it didn't, as a matter of fact. At this point, I'd rather see you crash, burn, and suffer than actively assist you; and you only have your smug-assed self and those like you to thank for it. When I say 'death to Amerika', I mean it; and I probably wouldn't if you people could ever be trusted to vote for something that isn't genocidal capitalism.
I don't align with genociders. I don't align with fascists. You, Trump, Biden, and everyone who ups either of them can all die in the same trench for all I care.
Little fascists like you who have the privilege to think you won't be affected by a collapsing America and enjoy watching people suffer. Meanwhile millions of my neighbors would be losing their rights and their lives for being the wrong gender, sexuality, or color. Extremely privileged and sick to be excited about that like you are.
It’s the America YOU want. You’re the complacent one who doesn’t want change. You’re the one who says we have to vote for the status quo. You’re the one that says we can’t change. You’re the one that says we have to further our genocide, otherwise further our genocide.
You are advocating for an America where you have no choices. Fuck, we’re already there.
How is it 'fascist' to pine for the death of a fascist nation and all of its collaborators? Explain that to me. I'll bet you can't; you're politically ignorant enough to just throw words out there. Did someone get their first word-a-day calendar? Or is this just your new cable news trough-induced echolalia acting up?
You and your blood-soaked hands don't deserve my solidarity. My solidarity is saved explicitly for the colonized, who are not of Turtle Island, but are of their own distinct nomenclature; one that I pray grows out of the ashes that the settler country called Amerika will become.
I spit on you and all of your fake, hypocritical appeals to minority groups you have sold, are selling, and will sell up the river again, cracker. See, I know FOR A FACT that I'll be affected by it too. Difference is, I consider it a worthy price to pay to watch the settlers go too. If I can't have true liberation, if the arc of history doesn't run long enough for my people to know what that feels like? I'll settle for y'all's suffering.
As one of my favorite theorists said, "it's the ballot, or the bullet."
Mmmh, so it is echolalia. You don't know the first word of the definition of 'fascism'; or what, do you want me to believe the Soviets that ended the Third Reich were fascist too for opposing fascism? Enjoy your country's collapse, cracker.
Amerika didn't end shit; they joined the war late because of Japan, peacocked around the Atlantic theatre like they were doing shit, war crimed Japan twice by genociding civilians, and then proceeded to save a handful of the high-ranking nazis who didn't flee to South America from the gallows via Operation Paperclip. You're as historically illiterate as you are politically.
You should be showing up to vote, just not for the two parties of capital.
Yeah not showing up to vote would certainly show the controlling Elites what is. Also goes nicely with that 30% of Americans that don't vote no matter what. If you're going to insist on idiotic plans at least vote third parties so you know your vote actually counts as a statistic of a locally grumpy voter. On the bright side if you guys get your way and Trump does get elected it could make the material circumstances bad enough that we could see a real upheaval in American society that will make things significantly worse and then make things significantly better.
Voting strategically is not an act of heroism any more than wiping your ass is. It's the bare minimum that you do when things are basically okay.
The real question you should be asking is "should I tolerate the situation in America as it exists?" If you're not happy with Trump or Biden, the answer is no. End of story.
Strike is on the table. A large general strike would be needed to force reforms. Get specific and organize. Be sure to include voting systems in your thinking.
But don't forget to attend to the basics while you're at it. There's no realistic third alternative in this voting system. Many more people will die under Trump, and you won't be the one picking.
I would love to see a massive general strike.
Democrats aren't losing, they've over performed in just about every election since 2020. The party has grown more left wing in recent years but obviously work still needs to be done. Virtually every progressive in government will endorse Biden for reelection. There was no significant primary challenge against him.
If you don't vote you aren't participating in an election where you can influence the outcome. In reality the statement you make by sitting out is that you don't care what happens.
There are valid criticisms you could make of Biden especially over how he has handled the Gaza war. But pretending that you're enlightened by not voting and effectively helping Trump is not an effective strategy in the long term.
Sleep walk over that cliff, my friend
Your comment provides no productive insight or refutation of anything I mentioned. You look like a fool by creating a straw man of my position.