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The bear vs man trend is digging up some tiresome and stressful thoughts (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago by Voran@lemmy.world to c/vent@lemmy.world

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Firstly: I'm reasonably sure these women are just kvetching. I often say 'I'd rather drink piss' to express that I don't like something. Obviously I'm not actually going to drink piss.

Secondly...I do agree it's a bit much to compare men to a deadly 1200 pound predator. I would be a bit fed up of hearing that too if I were a guy.

Thirdly...that said...I understand WHY women say that even if it's a bit ridiculous. I've had a male friend completely turn on a dime and send me rape threats while drunk. I pleaded and tried to reason with him for about 20 minutes before I completely snapped and threatened to do things to him with a hunting knife that I won't detail because there's no need to make people vomit. Only then did he back off and switch to making excuses and blaming his autism. It was terrifying because there was no reasoning with him. He LIKED that I was frightened and freaked out. It gave him a pleasurable power rush. The only reason he backed off was the threat of said hunting knife.

A bear isn't malicious. A bear just wants to eat. A bear can be redirected or avoided. You can do things such as wear a bell or carry mace or put up an electric fence around a tent. A man isn't necessarily malicious but IF he is...those precautions won't do jack poopsies because he consciously knows the woman doesn't want it and LIKES the act of stomping on boundaries.

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It's almost impressive how you're able to write out, so presumably understand, at least a couple of very good reasons why we would choose bear over man, while also completely missing the point and choosing to first frame the debate as "tiresome", "kvetching" (whining, to those unfamiliar), ridiculous, and worst - making men feel fed up, entirely prioritising and derailing the debate to how men feel (which is completely disconnected from reality, where their feelings, as well as rights and freedoms, are prioritised 99% of the time), when it's them being all of those negative things (tiresome, whiny, ridiculous, making women fed up) and also threatening, abusive, and violent in the first place that makes us want so desperately to avoid them.

Men are not the fucking victim here, I'm sick and fucking tired of them being frame as such.

If us picking bears over them hurts their fee-fees so much, perhaps they should consider why, and try to change, instead of repeating the exact behaviours that make us make that choice, and then blame us for being "tiresome" and insensitive.

[–] Voran@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I didn't derail anything. I gave a varied set of thoughts that had been bothering me. I don't want to be around a bear either. There are more things you can do to repel it but I don't want to be around a 1200 pound animal that doesn't bother to kill its prey before eating. And the fact that you just breezed past my story about a 200 pound drunk man sending me fucking rape threats and only backed off after I sent him an extremely graphic rant full of death threats right back is a bit much. You act like I have no idea what it's like being a woman.

[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The fact that you lump every man in with the worst of society is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. Swap "men" with "black people" and see how it sounds.

We are people, not monsters.