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Not everything is political. All we have is each other and we can choose to be kind. There's a lot of anger here and I can't know where it's coming from so I won't try to assume anything about you. I just don't appreciate you telling me I'm racist for saying America has a lot of immigration. Its not okay. You are assuming more about me than is fair.
The thing is that so often people who have no clue about things and the real living situations of people do talk down on people who are experts about those questions or affected. Effectively a lot of what you did was muddying the water and thus implicitly justifying that there might be good or acceptable reasons.
You were nationalist and you were racist with that and you were also ignorant of your own history and by being that ignorant you again actively(!) marginalized the BIPoC people in the US, as well as muddied class. In your other answers you were ableist and not kind either. You could've been kind, but you weren't.
Well then don't act like one. Don't try to defend faults of your country, try to help the people affected by the faults. Listen to affected people and listen to experts. This is a chance to grow for you. You can be kind and you can create a welcoming place for others. To do that you would need some collective work though and maybe read How To Become an Anti-Racist (and you could also watch the liberal lecture series by Robert Reich to get more how red lining works).
That claim is not at all questionable!
However even if the US would do a good job, liberal economic professor Robert Reich does present in this course good reasons that the inhomogenity of the results and who profits from what is a problem in its own that ought to be solved in terms of schooling etc.
We can't trust anyone as an authority when users are anonymous. All claims are subject to the burden of providing supporting documentation.
Not questioning claims simply because they jive with the general sentiment that America is the worst is deluded.
You can assert whatever you want.
Why is it that every time I take a moment to check on the information presented i find that american literacy is consistent over time and with other countries? Figure 14-1 page 46.
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2016/2016100.pdf#%5B%7B%22num%22%3A212%2C%22gen%22%3A0%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22XYZ%22%7D%2C0%2C792%2C0%5D
I don't have time to look at studies on this. But I'm not asserting beyond doubt that I'm right. I just haven't gotten any supporting documentation from you or OP to support the idea that american education is terrible like he casually infers with a partially relevant statistic.
I hope you are a young person. Over time you will learn that understanding a field takes time and that you need to spend months to get the required minimum knowledge for it. I suggest to you to actually speak with people who work in the field and do research in the field, then you will have done a short cut and can judge whether you want to help fix the problem, the structures or help individuals or if you just wanted to be right online, no matter the real life consequences for people around you.
In any case you are currently lacking the knowledge to differentiate terms, how they are used and how certain numbers are generated. Instead of trying to become an expert I recommend to you again: Speak with the experts, it is a great shortcut.
Besides that you haven't demonstrated that you are willing to discuss, learn or do your work, which means that you aren't really a person to be argued with online.
I havent claimed to be an expert I have asked for support to claim that America's education system is terrible as was inferred. You linked me a high view course with many different topics and have not given any indication that you know about this topic.
You speak in generalities and tell me to find out the specifics for myself. If you asked me questions about my field in computer science I would be specific and try to be helpful for someone wanting to learn more about it.
Yes I am lacking knowledge on this topic. But I have a brain and when I see someone disparage a country's education system based off of a single percentage statistic I'm allowed to shit on it. The onus in on the person who makes a claim.
Yes, cause you don't deserve it. Information is at your finger tips, you can't comprehend them as you are not an expert of the domain, but you know how to contact some. While not always if one brings an extraordinary claim - like you did - or is uninformed their speech and sentiment is not on the same level to be regarded as others is. Especially since you do center your sentiment instead of that of affected.
Show me where you did do "shit on it" when a person was "disparaging" a country which gets negative media bias in the US. Btw. you have no clue if they did do that based on a single statistic, that was only what was posted. No one will read a book as comment. You assume too much here. Also: The want to defend a country (or its reputation) instead of helping the people who could be affected is a problem, this means you are more a nationalist (and you seem to be US American, that means you are even centering your own country) than you care about people who are as example functionally illiterate.