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As always, liberals' "support" for national liberation movements only extends to words, if even that.
They'll gladly support genocide in practice while capitalism gradually decays into fascism, as they've let happen in Europe in the past.
“The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”
- Malcolm X
Ironically showing your own privilege. Those who are in imminent danger from things getting worse will vote against another Trump term, no matter who. Biden and the status quo fucking suck, but they can get so much worse.
They're already in danger. Democrats aren't stopping local governments from attacking them.
Take a minute, read my comment again. I said things getting worse. Not bad, cause they're bad. Worse.
Cool, have a nice day.
Nah you’re assuming a lot of garbage because you’re dumb. I’m stuck in a first past the post system given a choice between actual trash or a biohazardous fascist dumpster fire. If you don’t vote, you’re more likely giving power to the biohazardous dumpster again and we all saw how that worked out. You’re an idiot if you think not voting absolves you from the consequences of the next person in power.
Nah you're just a dumbass for thinking that voting for either of the genocidal fascists and endorsing the capitalist system keeping them in power "absolves" you of anything (whatever that means).
Political power in a capitalist state comes from organizing, not from writing the name of some maniac on a piece of paper
Come November, either Trump or Biden will be elected into office, whether you like it or not.
If your goal is to organize, one of those outcomes will make that harder to do than the other.
So you're concerned about it getting harder, but advocating for actions that increase the likelihood of it getting much harder, much more quickly.
Make it make sense.
These accelerationists in this thread are the dumbest people on the left who don’t care about the oppressed sympathetic to their views and are directly in harms’ way if things get worse, because they want to gamble on a violent revolution that will nebulously make things better w/o any plan.
The stupidity is almost humorous.
So again, it sounds like your concern is the GOP being emboldened to do crazier shit. So the solution is to hand them the presidency and the freedom to do all the crazy shit they want.
Make it make sense.
Cool fanfic.
Only if you guys get your way.
Kinda wild how the narrative you guys prop up has moved from "both sides are the same" to "actually if Trump had won in 2020 that would have been better"
The mask is really coming off.
You keep talking like the only options are to hand the election to Trump and have the fight under that political landscape, or vote against Trump then suddenly not have that fight at all.
That's simply not how it works.
You can muse about these things all day, but like I said, one of 2 outcomes is possible this November.
If you're going to have this fight, one of those outcomes will make it significantly harder to have.
Funny, I don't recall saying that anywhere...
I’m just commenting that I appreciate you being the one to actually discuss points in this thread. I agree with the other guy, but I’m praising efforts here.
Really? Are we watching the same news? The Democrats are pulling the same exact bullshit trump did with protestors.
Which is, of course, the one and only metric to measure.
You specifically mentioned organizing. So I specifically responded.
Pro-Palestine protests, of course, being the only form of organization.
It doesn't take more than once to show an intolerance. They only let protestors they agree with organize peacefully.
And naturally, with non-peaceful protest being the only form of organization, since both potential administrations will treat that issue equally, the logical option is to hand it to the one who will also do plenty more terrible things on top of it.
The logical option is a vote of no confidence. But we don't have that in the US. We have Kings for 4 years so we have to respond to them the way people have historically.
If we're subbing in things to replace reality, you can do a lot better than that.
Doesn't really address the issue at hand, though.
I think it very much does.
I'm not surprised you think sharing a mediocre fantasy addresses the issue at hand.
Just disappointed.
Oh no. Anyways...
Oh no! Now the enlightened centrists are calling me Russian! Get in line behind the 2A guys calling me communist.
You're accusing them of thinking voting gives absolution? You're the ignorant one here, and you deserve to be ground under the boots of fascism.
Looks like a liberal was scratched.
.ml accounts and cutting off their nose to spite their face. Name a more iconic duo.
Do something about it lmao. I want to hear about you on the news organizing your way to power before the election. Name drop Jaderick in your speeches, I would love to see it and you could prove me wrong.
In the mean time you’re just trash sitting there doing nothing lol.
You MAGAts keep screaming about how if we don’t vote blue, fascism will gain even more power.
What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?
It’s incredibly telling of the liberal brain rot that you can listen to this entire song and your only argument is “but orange man bad”.
So, to quote the warrior-poet: “And fuck no, I’m not votin’ for you in the fall”
Lmao calling me MAGA. Dude can’t even read a post history, I’m surprised you can format a post.
So what are you then, just nihilist internet trash? Explain how not voting is going to make Palestinian lives better. While you’re at it, explain how a Trump presidency would be better for fighting fascism. Explain how not participating in the system of power is somehow going to give you what you want, whatever that may be? You just want to watch the world burn? Start with your own house.
A slower slide into fascism than would happen under Trump. How was that not clear?
Same here, sounds like a lot of these people are disenfranchised, or are paid to dissuade voters from one particular side, or they're useful idiots.
I live in a first past the post system, it's not going to change for the better from the top down, I petition for ranked choice voting on the local level, if I want to continue to be able to vote in the future (and not in a Russian sense of "being able to vote") I'm voting for Biden.
Don't let the astroturfing here dissuade you.
For sure, I know accelerationists are the dumbest people on the left who have never picked up a book in their life. I’m getting downvoted in series of 7 votes which seems like a strange number to AstroTurf lmao.
It's not acceleration if it's already here.
What is “it”? All the nebulous statements with no plan lmao. They haven’t broken people enough to revolt yet. I’d have expected Russians to revolt again considering the worse oligarchical state over there, but the oligarchs are still in power. The bullies still have the better organization skills.
I hope y’all are at least part of a union otherwise you’re just worthless words lmao.