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Elon Musk’s Neuralink reports trouble with first human brain chip
(arstechnica.com)
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this post was submitted on 09 May 2024
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I can't believe anyone willingly got this after the monkey testing thing. They have to be taking advantage of people not fit to make decisions for themselves.
The patient became quadriplegia in a car accident, I wouldn't call it unfit for decisions but definitely someone desperate to find a sense of normalcy.
Guy has nothing left to lose really, I don’t blame him for taking this risk considering I would strongly consider it myself were I in his situation
Yes, unfortunately this is the case. In an article I read the guy was able to pay chess and Age of Empires with his thoughts and the chip, quite impressive tech indeed, it’s just that you absolutely cannot trust anything near Musk
OCZ back in the day (2008) had a brainwave game controller... didn't need surgery for that.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16826100006
The only thing he could lose is only a few important brain functions, if something truly does go wrong. Nothing major. /s
I mean, in that position I'd probably be willing to gamble with my life. Not with Musk involved, but if there was a similar opportunity without his involvement. It would be an honorable death, too, as long as it didn't result in a halt on the research.
If I could fully trust the ones doing it, there is a certain % of death risk I'd be willing to take as a healthy person once the tech is more mature. The possibilities of such technology are endless, especially as the tech becomes more interactive rather than just observing and acting on those observations. I'm not sure if I'd want to live in the Matrix, but I'd love to at least visit it or play VR games based on that tech. Altered Carbon would be interesting, too.
Sure, the possibilities are endless, so the first thing we'll get that has any research money and effort put into it is how to turn it into an advertising platform and then maximally enshittifying it as soon as there's a market share to speak of.
Yeah, that "if I could trust it" is pulling a lot of weight there. Like I decline fucking website cookies. Tech like that has way more invasive potential. Maybe they wouldn't even need to advertise and could directly make you just buy things or give them free labour. You'd just need a module to make a person act like a normal happy person and then with that could potentially do anything "under the hood" without being detected. The possibilities are endless in the dystopian direction, too. Realistically, "if I could trust it" isn't a requirement that can be met.
Oh, they'd never do anything as sinister as that. That may still be illegal (if the ultra-rich lobbying hasn't taken care of that obstacle by that point).
Instead, they'll just make sure that whatever essential core service they've built a monopoly in by just muscling the poorer competitors out of the race will cease to be offered to you if you refuse to hand all your money over to them.
See also: insulin, hospital treatment, etc. This is just a new playing field to find old prey in.
Not many options I guess. Sucks to have to gamble on the crazy billionaire with a lot of faulty shit.
Wait, is that what these brain chips are for? Well now I can't hate on them as much as I used to if they're meant to help people learn how to walk again. I thought it was just supposed to help you process thoughts more quickly or something, like a math coprocessor in an old 90s PC.
I thought the goal was to reconnect the brain to the spinal cord though.
But dude is still stuck in a wheelchair, and so far it's basically been just a fancy experimental mouse cursor? Installed in his brain? And already failing?.....
Watching his videos he's a clever snd self aware guy more than capable of thinking for himself. Hate Elon but you don't need to shit on the disabled by acting like being in a wheelchair means you can't think for yourself
You totally missed my point. I wasn't shitting on the disabled fella at all. I was 100% shitting on the Neuralink chip, which is supposedly being developed and promoted as a way of fixing paralysis.
The fact that the man is still in a wheelchair means that Neuralink has achieved 0% of it's ultimate intended goal. It's just a fancy mouse cursor (and probably keyboard) so far.
Science isn't magic, nothing gets invented in a single iteration. Don't let your hate for a single person blind you to reality, allowing someone who can't control a mouse to do so is breathtaking. it's not the first time it's happened but it's a big step forward and once testing and improvement stages have been completed we'll hopefully see more fluid links to other movement tools and technologies such as llms which will allow people totally dependent on help to live their own lives.
I don't really keep up with Elon moon shits, but I think the idea is to substitute the brains neurological commands. Research is still on the "read" stage, like knowing what information the brain is requesting. Eventually neurolink will also need to discover how to relay those signals back to the nervous system in a way it understands, engaging muscles and such, effectively rebuilding the bridge that was damaged. Or robot legs or whatever, but the key is first getting the information into a format they can act on. But I'm not smart, this is just how I understood it.
And they already killed how many monkeys testing this stuff? Last I heard was that they tested 15 monkeys or so, and 13 of them ended up dying or having to be euthanized after only a few months.
They already admitted they had problems with their brain electrodes corroding after a few months or so...
I like to keep my noodle intact thank you very much. Even if I was a vegetable, I wouldn't want a chip in my head that's known to have corroding wires.
See the corroding part scares me. Actual electrodes planted in the brain should never corrode. The company I work for actually makes brain implants(no, not nueralink) so I know it's possible.
That stuff is EXPENSIVE though ... So he must of cheaped out with a cheaper metal and that's why it corroded.
Indeed. Hell, I'm no expert in the field, but haven't they had reliable Parkinson's brain implant devices for decades?
Yes, and those are the ones I make.
Well that’s the main issue isn’t it? It’s not that the idea is bad, it’s all the cut corners on safety and quality. Same reason I won’t be getting into one of Elons cars or rockets.
I hope he chose to cheap on monkeys because they’re viewed as expendable in the eyes of many, and hope he actually used the good stuff on people.
He’s the type of psycho to say no to expensive implants on the monkeys because they’re “just monkeys”
I can believe people took up on this offer. As the saying goes drowning man will reach for straws. Issue is they probably oversold reliability and safety.