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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Right, and focusing on that personal responsibility is a waste of everyone's time.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No one is saying to focus on it, just stop pretending it doesn't exist.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why? You're wasting everyone's time by even bringing it up. Punch up.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because we all need to start doing shit now, not wait for other people to do it for you. I'm not punching at all, just being honest. You're just grappling with the cognitive dissonance of claiming to care, but also not wanting to inconvenience yourself by doing anything about it.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That shit that we need to do now is outlined in that externality article solution section. We can't wait for other people to coordinate on defense for us.

Time spent on unilateral inconveniences is rival with time spent on systemic change, especially for a busy person like you. Trying to convince individuals one by one to reduce their carbon footprint simply doesn't work - that's why big oil popularized it.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anything to avoid having to do something.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anything to avoid having to do something.

Lazy activists amirite

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The hypocrisy of calling yourself an activist after telling me that I could be better spending my time than convincing one person. Lol if you think anyone believes that.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you think we all ought to reduce our pollution down to sustainable levels, and you haven't, then aren't we both hypocrites? I'm certainly not saying you can't discuss your strategy at all.

This purity testing and infighting are exactly what big oil wants. You keep appealing to social status - you do something, you care, you're no hypocrite, you inconvenience yourself - you're a virtuous good guy. And your neighbors, why if they won't list their sacrifices, then what business do they have suggesting the very well-studied solutions that can actually work based on a concept you just learned the name of.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

If you think we all ought to reduce our pollution down to sustainable levels, and you haven’t, then aren’t we both hypocrites?

I've been very clear about my point: we're all responsible and we should all make an effort. I even outright told you that you don't have to do everything at once, but grab the low hanging fruit.

And you're trying to tell me i'm suggesting you get yourself down to a sustainable level.

This purity testing and infighting are exactly what big oil wants.

Yes, clearly saying you share some of the responsibility and we should all make an effort to do something, i'm requiring purity.

You can argue my point, do you're mindlessly attacking a strawman youve made up about me.

And who said anything about anyone not being able to offer up other solutions? Lol

Again, anything to avoid accepting any responsibility, doesn't even matter if it's even based on reality at all. You need me to be a bad guy because otherwise you might have to admit I have a point.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Every time climate discussion comes up and i point out that we can do things to decrease their own impact

Yes, clearly saying you share some of the responsibility and we should all make an effort to do something, i'm requiring purity.

This but not sarcastic. Every time you bring it up is a distraction from collective action that works. Your efforts have been diverted.

100% honestly, you sound like a great person. But that shouldn't matter to the validity of a person's arguments, and your approach is counterproductive.