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Step 1: hit snooze
Step 2: use the extra time to build dual power and/or electoral reform.
Note: The time to build an alternative to the DNC for 2024 was no less than 4 years ago. The time to start building the coalition for 2028 starts no later than December 2024.
Note: the time to build dual power is any day you can afford the time, acumen, and experiense.
Step 3: hit snooze again.
Voting doesn't change anything. Not voting kills us.
We vote to buy time. We use that time to perform direct action.
These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
Worked sooo great the last time.
This, but unironically. Considering the fact that right-wing violence has decreased, Ukraine has remained standing, and fascist rhetoric is on the decline.
If you're dissatisfied with the results, consider engaging in the aforementioned tactics instead of yelling at people who have a plan.
WDYM, the system is still the bad-vs-worse with no path to citizen interests in sight.
I can't.
to fail again. But you're right, that's your country to blow.
Have you considered that complaining about Americans voting when you don't need to live with the consequences is, perhaps, not exactly good form?
Have you considered that I could be living with the consequences? USpol dysfunction has an unpleasantly wide reach across the globe.
Okay. Please describe what you course of action you're advocating for and the intended results.
The majority, including the slice that votes the lesser evil because they don't want the larger evil, realizes the current sports team rivalry is no substitute for a government, coordinates and votes independent. US gets a government representing the interests of Americans until either the lobbying mechanism gets eradicated or the government gets repurchased anew. Yes, I know, I am idealistic.
I see 3 desires and no proposed course of action. There's no plan here to make an independent vote be anything aside from a waste. There's nothing to set forth a series of events that leads to more people discarding the conceptualization of political sports teams. There's a difference between being "idealistic" and not having any plan. I am idealistic. I've told you my plan, and I believe it has the potential to bring about the results you want, so even if there's really no way for you to support my endeavor you should at least stop trying to make my task harder.
Your "plan" is to tell people in an obscure corner of the internet to rest before digging your country a deeper grave. Mine is to tell you co come to your senses in the comments. None of us offers a course of action.