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I actually think it's those that get so close to the truth, before veering to the right and blaming minorities instead of those who are really to blame (by design of those who are really to blame, of course) - blaming Jews for controlling the banks and the media (it's the obscenely rich), blaming immigrants for poor work conditions/no jobs (it's the obscenely rich), blaming disabled people for being a burden and leeching off the tax payer (it's the obscenely rich), blaming whichever generation is currently in young adulthood for "destroying industries" (it's the obscenely rich), and so on and so on..
I guess they make me angriest because the truth clearly isn't outside of the people who believe the conspiracy's grasp, they'd just rather punch down, solve nothing, but continue to have minor feelings of superiority (which really ties in with the key to all belief in conspiracy theories - "I have special knowledge you don't"), than punch up and actually try to resolve the issues they whine about..
Not quite related to the initial post topic, but "Every billionaire, deserves the electric chair." is a phrase I've been spouting for the past few years. I like to think it's a more extreme version of "Eat The Rich." but probably not as catchy nor as easy to spraypaint onto stuff.
And on the liberal side they do the same thing except conservatives are the scape goat. Super frustrating.
Liberals play along plenty in to the division sown by the ruling class, but lets be fucking clear - conservatives choose to be that way, and are actively and vocally contributing to the problem, unlike Jews, immigrants, disabled people and so on..
Is working class conservative Joe Shmoe responsible for the system and the one who needs to be removed from society? No, they're as much a victim of it (and its brain washing propaganda) as any other working class person, and sure, many liberals fail to see this, but to compare calling out people who choose to actively support open and proud oppressors for their contribution, to scapegoating the people they oppress for existing as who they are, for the problems of society, is fucking gross.
E: seriously, conservatives uphold conservatism - there is no conspiracy. π€¦ββοΈ
Yeah...I guess I just meant that average liberals tend to blame average conservatives instead of the rich (while average conservatives basically blame everyone who doesn't conform to their exact ideals instead of the rich).
Not sure I agree that conservatives can both "choose" to be like they are, and also be the victims of their upbringing in a toxic system. These 2 points you made seem to be contradictory.
I agree many liberals fail to see that the average conservative is also a victim of this system, and that conservatives are brainwashed to think what they believe is a good thing.
I don't think I made the comparison you're saying I made. I'm sorry it came across that way. Calling out asshole conservatives for being assholes is fine as long as it's with the understanding that they don't know any better because the rich have them so brainwashed. And then follow it up by trying to convince them that the rich are the problem, not the immigrants etc. But to stop at blaming average conservatives, without recognizing the rich as the fundamental problem, I think, has the same end result as conservatives blaming everyone that's even slightly different than them... No one points at the rich.
Not really.
We are all subjected to the same propaganda, yet we're not all conservatives, that's enough to prove that there is choice involved (even if the choices are limited, and opinions externally influenced by and for the ruling class), but more to the point - no one is born conservative, and no one is forced in any way to support one political party or another, political affiliation isn't something someone can't help or control or change, making it a choice, unlike race, gender, sexual orientation, abledness, place and circumstances of birth, and so on, which are not.
Technically the choice exists for them.... But if they're never introduced to it can they be expected to know it exists? If every single person in their lives... Their parents, teachers, preachers, everyone they see on TV... Only ever feed them the same crap, and any dissent is not just discouraged, but dangerous. I'm not sure they really CAN choose you know? Now, there is a lot of willful ignorance as well... Don't get me wrong. And obviously there's a difference between not knowing you have a choice, and actually not having a choice.