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I think cynicism is a fair response to anything about the Israel-Palestine conflict and Labour's response to it, but it's worth noting that the Guardian has different language:
I don't know what that bit about the veto means, but 'before the end of any peace process' suggests they see it as part of the peace process, not an end result.
I think it's notable that Labour's position is now firmly pro-ceasefire and anti any further military action by Israel. Per that same Guardian article, they've also given 'implict support' to the arrest warrant for Netanyahu, although there's no specific reference given.
Fair. But before the end of any peace process when they know there will be no peace process is the equivalent to saying we're kicking the can down the road.
Peace process aside, do Labour want to recognise Palestine or not? Ireland, Spain, Norway want to and so have. But it sounds like Labour don't want to with these words.
Additionally do Labour want to instruct their future UN representative to admit Palestine as a full member? Or do they want to wait for an impossible situation to transpire in the distant future?
I will be the most surprised person in the world if their position changes.
We'll have to wait for the manifesto to be sure, I agree, and you may well be correct that this is a big nothing.
Hypothetically, though, if you thought that recognising Palestine now might hinder, rather than help, any eventual peace process (I'm not saying that this is what I think, to be clear), would you still want to go ahead with that recognition?
I would decline to recognise. But: I would make it very clear why that is. For example I would say, "we refuse to recognise the Palestinian state because we don't believe they are capable of functioning as a state with or without considerable help from the international community and without such a functioning state peace negotiations would fail".
Something like that. But instead we get "now is not the time". Well why is it not the time. We're not fucking idiots, tell us. "It's just not the time". Oh ok it's like that.
Sure, totally makes sense.