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I absolutely agree. I'd love to see it, but until we live in that world, I'm going to buy a car big enough to survive a collision with the aging boomer in their monster truck.
This is so childish. "If you don't self-sacrifice when no one else is, then you, you're the one I'm going to call out."
Shaming someone for not being the one to make a change you want to see happen on a systemic level while doing nothing to fix the system is such a child's take.
I'm not looking for any validation.
I just think the take of "you're part of the problem" is reductive and childish. And nothing you've said changes that.
Gas guzzlers contribute to man made climate change yes, but even if everyone went to an electric sedan tomorrow, it wouldn't slow climate change by more than a couple of days. The average person has no measurable effect on climate change by themselves.
And yes, you are. Because your resentment is pointed at the wrong person and is like a childish temper tantrum. The person you were speaking too isn't "attached" to the truck or suv, they actively said they would have no problem getting a different vehicle if their safety concerns were resolved. So calling them part of the problem is just lashing out.
Resent the people you're actually calling out. Not the person with a well reasoned argument and the desire to see change that would aid them the peace of mind to support your position. Snapping out at people like the previous poster puts people on the defensive and to dig in their heels, then you just alienate the people who would support you.
Then stop.
You made your position public. That public posting opens you up to criticism. No one obligates you to write paragraphs defending it.
Your rewrite was better. As was this argument. But you're not going to convince anyone that they should subject themselves and their families to being less safe in order to be safer to others. Covid deniers proved you can't even convince people to be safer for themselves, and get the bonus of helping others. In fact you had politicians out there saying grandpa is happy to die for capitalism.
I still think your lashout was childish and I had the time and inclination to call that out. But let's be clear I never even implied you were a bad person for your position.
Thank you. I mean this is basic game theory. It's in the best interest of everyone to size down cars, but unless everyone agrees to it, the only logical move is to have a big and safe car.
The way to get everyone to participate is by forcing the change universally through government action.
"In a world where murderers exist, the only logical solution is to murder everyone else first!"
Okay, but IF you get a big and unsafe car (unsafe because it fucking kills children) then you have a moral responsibility not to use it unless absolutely necessary. For the rest of your bullshit, you can just bite the bullet and take the chance, or find something else to do with your time that doesn't literally fucking kill children.
How does it "fucking kill children"? Is it being operated correctly?