Normally, I would say that I don't care when a game comes out, as long as it's a genuinely good, complete experience. But knowing Bethesda, it'll be another 5 years before we see anything, and then we'll get an embarrassingly buggy title, that hasn't innovated on anything since Fallout 3 came out.

I used to forgive them for anything, knowing that the modding community would just patch things anyway, but we've seen how Starfield was rejected by a ton of people with skills.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think too many people forget that Skyrim was actually popular enough without mods to bring enough modders to the table to fix the rest of it. Bethesda seems to have forgotten that they actually have to deliver a mostly fun and mostly playable game for a proper modding scene to take root.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That really is a pretty substantial part of it too. Modding at its core requires a good game, and everything else comes from people wanting to change parts of it, that aren't necessarily to their liking. Bethesda somehow assumed that people would be willing to reimplement half of the game at launch. That just won't slide anymore, for 70$

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Yep. And the good mods take a while to make too. If your game is dead 3 months after launch, who's going to still be motivated to keep working on a big overhaul type mod?

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

It didn't help that Starfield didn't release with any of the normal modding toolset for Bethsda games. It literally didn't get it until this month.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

1 dev of the skyrim together mod.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Shadow of the Erdtree DLC comes out this month after being developed for 2 years. Even amazing games take forever to develop, I'm certainly not waiting half a decade for another fucking Starfield...

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

That's the difference. I would wait a decade for a follow-up to Elden Ring. It was a genuinely incredible game in every way.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Starfield didn't have modding, but was it an embarrassingly buggy title that hasn't innovated on anything since Fallout 3?