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Gen Z influencers who supported Biden in 2020 turn against him
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They're not "turning against him"...
They're just not offering unconditional support, and if they don't do that Biden doesn't want them.
Which is his main problem with younger voters. He doesn't want to work with voters, he wants voters to work for him.
If Biden isn't seeing the support this time, it's not the fault of influencers, it's his fault for ignoring anyone that's not just kissing his ring.
Same issue Hillary had.
Quick edit:
All he has to do is keep inviting the ones who are vocal about their concerns and open a dialog.
Even if he doesn't change stances, it's a hell of a lot better than surrounding himself with "yes men".
It's a very easy path forward, but it involves admitting people a quarter of his age have valid points. That's hard for an 82 year old.
I do agree that it's not the fault of influencers, but of the campaign itself.
Biden is not a populist who panders to everyone just to disappoint more than half of them. He has positions which he holds and an administration working towards them. You can either agree with the direction or not. Someone may not be thrilled about having a choice between two candidates, but that's reality and nobody's gonna game it by not voting, so pick an issue and decide is Biden going to be better or worse than Trump? Unless their a nazi or indoctrinated Christian nationalist, 99% of the time gen z should come to the logical conclusion.
Edit: IMO Biden has been the most progressive Democratic Presidents in a long time
I am so fucking sick and tired of this talking point. You really need to stop parroting that bullshit.
I'm going to vote for Biden. I'm going to tell everyone I know to vote for Biden. I'm going to have lawn signs and participate in local voter drives, because I want Biden to win.
But he is not progressive enough. Comparing him to previous presidents it the least convincing argument you could possibly make. It's offensive. He's more progressive than Trump? Fuck you.
Our presidents, our government, have been controlled by kleptocrats and oligarchs for as long as any of us have been alive, and all of us are suffering because of it. Our world is dying, our futures have been mortgaged, and our economy actively works to enslave us.
We have never had a progressive president or a progressive government, so it's like you're saying "Biden is the softest kick in the nuts we've had in a long time."
Yeah, ok, maybe you're right. Are we supposed to be grateful? Go fuck yourself.
I think you overstate what a President can do to say that Biden could do more.
Ps. No need to be so confrontational. Go fuck a moose ;)
Biden isn't just a president, though. He's a (presumably the most) influential leader in his respective party. he sets the policy direction for the entire DNC. "hey, The environment is an existential threat that will destroy our entire world and at the very least reshape society as we know it" is a perfectly reasonable thing for a president and party-leader to do.
Because, you know, failing to meet the climate crisis... well, we're not looking at the collapse of the US, or even global society. We're looking at the extinction of the human race. but the best he can do is subsidize EV's and solar panels. WOOOO. Literally every other crisis we're looking at- inflation, housing, safe water access, increased severity and frequency of storms and wildfires and other natural disasters, increased infectious disease, the immigration/migrant/asylum crisis, global conflicts, political extremism. ALL OF IT... will be exacerbated by climate change; and already is.
Good news then his administration has been on point for the messaging
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/11/14/remarks-by-president-biden-on-actions-to-address-the-climate-crisis/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/climate/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/20/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-catalyze-global-climate-action-through-the-major-economies-forum-on-energy-and-climate/
Great.
Now maybe we should stop new oil drilling, and cut back on oil exports as much as we reasonably can?
Maybe we should stop subsidizing oil.
maybe we should start funding public transit options, including busing, light rail, and regional high speed passenger rail. Maybe we should stop wasting money helping millionaires with beach front property rebuild and instead buy them out and create coastal wetlands, and protect inland wetlands better (and manage them during flood events.)
maybe we should invest in protecting barrier reefs, which help diminish the impact of storms, and
Maybe we should mandate environmental impact reporting for publicly traded companies. (and lets just ad social reporting, too. cuz why not?)
maybe we should make sure people have livable wages so that they can afford to invest in climate resilience so they don't become a burden after a catastrophe, and fight arbitary increases in costs so that people can afford to buy local and healthy food... supporting small farmers rather than giant AG corps that blow out more greenhouse emissions just checking on the crops than I do in a month.
perhaps, we should look into a sustainable carbon neutral military, because you know, a sustainable military is part of national security....
maybe we should invest in helping other countries get off oil, too.
Biden can't or won't do what's necessary to get us out of this mess. His messaging might be on point, but his actions aren't.
You are right, Biden can't do what is necessary as President. He can only do what is legally within his purvue, Congress would need to pass laws to do most of what you mentioned above.
What he can do that he is not is pushing congress to do so.
Saying that he’s powerless is a cop out. He’s not powerless and you missed the part where I explained how he’s not just POTUS.
Apparently you missed the part where he is a leading voice in a drive to deal with climate change and calls it an existential threat to humanity, uses the powers available him to pursue research and proposes monumental investments to deal with it. Do those investments line up with every one of your points, maybe not, but I'm certain that far more informed individuals than we will be in the rooms to debate which are more deserving and workable. But all of that is entirely dependent on legislative action. It is simple to do a cursory search of White House press releases to see what executive actions the Biden administration has taken, and they are not few.
Since when is representing the people who elected you a bad thing?
And why do people who think that, think voters will turn out for someone that doesn't represent what they want?
That's not an opinion, it's a factual incorrect statement
I'm open to your, obviously, well researched factual response to who is a more progressive President.
So you make a ridiculous claim, get called on it, and then demand the other person prove you're wrong?
The way this works is you prove your own claim before you demand others refute it.
Why would they put the time in if you won't?
Like, you need to realize you're asking someone to explain something for your benefit. If the other person just stops replying, you lose because you didn't learn anything
At least ask politely dawg...
There are many things, but I think that H.R. 8404, the Respect for Marriage Act and the fact that he didn't just sign it into law, he had a major event as a signing ceremony on the White House lawn to highlight it, is a great example of the kind of President he has been.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/12/13/remarks-by-president-biden-and-vice-president-harris-at-signing-of-h-r-8404-the-respect-for-marriage-act/
So...
HR means it's a bill that started in the House...
And Biden has been very open the last four years about how a politicians view is their view and he can't even change someone's if they belong to his own party.
So, and I'm just making sure here, you think Joe Biden is so progressive because he checks notes didn't veto it?
And instead he threw a big event and took credit for others peoples work?
C'mon man, was that really the best you found?
He didn't take credit, he actually detailed a lot of the credit due in his speech. But yes, it is the fact that he made a big deal about a progressive social issue that is an example of being more progressive than his predecessors. If you are looking for progressive things done without congressional action, you're not going to find any, ever. That's just not how our government works.
Oh is this one of those things where a Biden supporter tries to convince people that.
The president is completely powerless
trump becoming president would be terrible, so we have to vote Biden
Cuz buddy, not being trump is pretty much the only reason people are voting Biden, because 1 is bullshit
But we'd have a lot better chance beating trump with a president whose ambitions are higher than not dying in office.
Not powerless, but the fear of Trump (IMO a founded fear) is that he would abuse the office and be permitted to do so by his party members in Congress. I understand that people want Biden to do the same thing (for a real and good cause) but that would also be the end of American democracy.
He is doing the same thing...
He's getting sued by the ACLU for illegal border policy, and breaking US and international law by supplying munitions for Israel's genocide...
Which is the whole point:
If the most popular reason to vote Joe is he's not trump, then Joe needs to stop fucking breaking serious laws, especially when he's doing it for things only republicans want
Shits not complicated, I hope some of this making sens.