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That is an important point. But why it’s unpopular is that it’s not “feminism’s” job to do this. Feminism is a struggle to give women equal opportunities to men. They do not include race, poverty, and definitely not men’s issues in this.
To put it bluntly: It’s not women’s job to fix men.
Men’s loneliness crisis may have come about as a result of modern societal changes. Including equality for women. But it’s men who need to organise and fix that.
(And honestly- as someone who has moved around the western world - this seems uniquely American problem. European men have rich social lives. Even in the most feminist nations)
Is that so? Surely you expect men to help with the goals of feminism, no?
Imagine saying the same thing in reverse: unequal payment for women because they are not forceful enough to push for more? Sad but what can you do - it's not men's job to fix women after all.
If people really think that, then screw this 'f* you, I got mine ' version of feminism and push for a better life for everyone. This is such a shortsighted way to live and not even try to look beyond your own horizon.
Ok fine. I can concede the point that women should help.
But it is not women’s fault that men are lonely. It’s definitely not feminisms fault.
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Nah, it comes from "feminists" making men the villains. And women listening to those "feminists". It doesn't concern me personally - I'm a man who's pretty comfortable with who I am and some power-tripping psychos who hide behind feminism don't really change anything about that, but sometimes I'm really sorry for men who are less sure of themselves or who internalized hearing they are the bad guys from all sides.
Wow, first time I've been labeled an incel. Not sure if you've noticed but the only one being disrespectful here is you. Anyway, you go on my naughty list.