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Farmers who graze sheep under solar panels say it improves productivity. So why don’t we do it more? (grist.org)
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[–] CottonSeed@slrpnk.net -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

that is genocide

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

People who kill and exploit animals every day are always so ready to defend animals. Raising animals for killing, even if you take their wool during their lives, is genocide.

[–] CottonSeed@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

word have meaning and by diluting "genocide" you are being dishonest and cheapening real genocides

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that we don't have a word for when we commit genocide, but then force-breed the same population to prevent it from extinction, only to repeat the killing again. A perpetual holocaust. We have some euphemisms like "breeding" and "husbandry" that focus of the reproduction but not in the killing. I'm open to suggestions.

[–] CottonSeed@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

agriculture

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That world means many things

[–] CottonSeed@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

one of it's specific meanings is raising animals for food or other products.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Raising animals to harvest is cruel and unusual punishment but it isn't genocide. Genocide is the systematic and widespread extermination of a specific group. The fact that livestock animals outnumber us and their numbers are only growing should tell you we're not genociding them. Words have meaning.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago

Gonna quote my own comment to another user:

The problem is that we don't have a word for when we commit genocide, but then force-breed the same population to prevent it from extinction, only to repeat the killing again. A perpetual holocaust. We have some euphemisms like "breeding" and "husbandry" that focus of the reproduction but not in the killing. I'm open to suggestions

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

it's not punishment. we aren't assigning moral agency.