this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2024
123 points (86.4% liked)
PCGaming
6504 readers
1 users here now
Rule 0: Be civil
Rule #1: No spam, porn, or facilitating piracy
Rule #2: No advertisements
Rule #3: No memes, PCMR language, or low-effort posts/comments
Rule #4: No tech support or game help questions
Rule #5: No questions about building/buying computers, hardware, peripherals, furniture, etc.
Rule #6: No game suggestions, friend requests, surveys, or begging.
Rule #7: No Let's Plays, streams, highlight reels/montages, random videos or shorts
Rule #8: No off-topic posts/comments
Rule #9: Use the original source, no editorialized titles, no duplicates
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
If you are going to point out that Valve is a capitalist company, I'd say you are picking on one of the rare ones that return more value than many others in the whole capitalist world economy. Gabe having a yatch is an indecent use of wealth? Yeah, no person needs or deserves a yatch while we have famine and wage slaving in the world.
If you believe the company that has the best pro-consumer practices in the industry (maybe tied with GOG thanks to their no-DRM policy) should be the first to take the responsibility to be the one that is even more altruistic, I'd say you are asking for destabilization of an already decent company to give way to the literal vultures waiting for it to die so they can have their fat shares for their shareholders.
They're not decent if the boss can afford six yachts, they're ripping you off while acting nice and you think you had a deal because of their nice smile.
What everyone is debating with you is that you are wrong in picking your target while your base claim of enabling someone, anyone at all, to be a billionaire is correct.
You are wrong in picking Valve or Gaben as exploitative wealthy scum, because Valve is the closest thing to something that is not exploitative corporation, while Gaben as the head and sole person having the final say in which direction to go and which not to go, has been the best guardian of unexploitative gaming entertainment. If you think I'm making these up, please search around to see if you can find the equivalent of these features in any of the meaningfully-accessible companies: Family sharing, Proton, Steam Friends, Steam Network, Steam Workshop, Steam Community Hub.
Steam Family sharing: The current version enables players to have access to the games in other's libraries as long as those accounts are not having access at the same time. The upcoming version allows for access to other's games as long as there are enough copies in the sharing pool. In the age others in the entertainment industry is cracking down accessibility with ever increasing prices, like Netflix' oppression on password sharing or even having access to your own account on multiple devices, please don't tell me this Family sharing improvements by Valve isn't extremely pro-consumer.
Proton: Provides an almost silver bullet, or an easily configurable base template, for gaming on Linux. You can be a Windows or Mac user all you want and never give a thought to Linux, but you can't argue not letting Windows have monopoly over PC gaming by enabling access to gaming on free OS isn't a completely pro-consumer endeavour. It is also open source, so they are not even gatekeeping their own work on this.
Friends and Network: While having no-DRM copies from GOG is great and all, having your games connect to your friend's games, or forming completely random lobbies in seconds, with just a couple clicks requires some always-present middleman. Your no-DRM copies can stay with you till eternity, but you'll have to configure your own methods of connection to your friends outside your local network.
Workshop: Mods hosting for games that support it, and easy installation with 1 click. Yes, there are still free alternatives like Nexus, but they show you ads to meet their hosting needs, so in that sense they are as free as Valve sparing budget from their 30% cut from game sales to Workshop.
Community Hub: A catalogue of all game-related stuff, from guides to memes, troubleshooting threads to feedback, promotion space for developers to knowledge database for players. Open to the whole world wide web and not restricted to account walls or pay walls.
Now, I agree that even providing these services with the best quality-and-features-per-buck option out there, there shouldn't be billionaires while there are starvation and wage slaving ones life this prominent in the world. While these issues persist, having yatches to one person's or a few people's name is an indecent behaviour that should not be allowed in a working social contract. However, when you look at the rest of the companies in the same industry, or even other industries, there are way worse offenders of this wealth inequality that don't even come close to Valve in providing the same quality-and-features-per-buck value, while having billionaires and actually striving to make them more wealthy instead of providing more for the customers and workers.
Case in point: You are not even looking a gift horse in the mouth; you are beating your most hard working horse for eating a hearty meal, claiming you are right in that amount of meal is not needed to survive, all the while letting the rest of your slacking horses raid your pantry without batting an eye. Pressure the others to provide better services per buck, also at a self-sustaining rate so as to not be deprived of it a year later, first.
I'm picking at Valve because this is a fucking discussion about Valve, why would I talk about Microsoft or Apple or Tesla or Shell in a discussion about Valve, please tell me.
And what you don't understand is that this whole affair about "Valve taking 30% cut is overcharging" is bogus. Valve and whole others can sell fully-fledged carrots at $1M each, with Valve adding better packaging and better preservation while doing discounts regularly, all the while Epic can sell a malnourished and cut-out one at $500k each and give away a stale and cut-out one for free regularly.
Both are expensive if their base prices can be discounted by electing smaller margin of profits. (That is another topic as Steam is doing jackload of live-service that can't be served as an offline service, without any form of subscription or recurring payments.) Even so, picking on the one that offers a sustainable price plan and fully-fledged product with extra benefits just because it is pricey for your wallet while all others in the market do a poorer job at the same prices or price-per-value is just grabbing your pitchfork because someone else started a riot against your cordial and caring overseer while the world around you is rife with jackals who'd like to be your king.
Go bug Gaben to spend more of his personal wealth gained through Valve's distributed earnings on betterment of the product they serve rather than on the yatches. Don't go around asking just Valve to get less cushion for experimentation, being generous in return, lax bout worker load and project development, etc., while they are the sole company doing that. Better yet, push your governments to install blanket resolutions against exorbitant wealth accumulations or uneven wealth distributions so that both better product development is prioritized and all employees are rewarded fairly if any single one is to be rewarded.
Anyway, I'm changing the discussion to be about how Stephen Hawking's name is on Epstein's list. Lets talk about this, I don't care whether there are more concerning people named on that list or whether Hawking is unique for his contributions in some fields. Hell, I am not even interested in if the discussion is worthwhile through the factuality of the claim or the scope of the claim because why, this is a discussion about Stephen Hawking being on Epstein's list now.
They're still overcharging if their owner could make himself a billionaire out of it and you're here defending them while you're overpaying for games that should be much cheaper.
You'll never be one of them, you'll never be close to be one of them, the rich can get fucked, none of them are just or moral, none of their businesses are just or moral, the sooner we burn them down the better.
Edit: Fucking lol, someone from Turkey defending an American billionaire and his company. Average income in your country is going down, it's under 3k€ and you're here defending a fucking billionaire? Wow, you've got your priorities straight mate! People from your country have no purchasing power and you're against people trying to make it so people get more for their money? Are you for real?
They may be overcharging, they are most likely overcharging if it can make a billionaire among them. Is it anti-consumer? In the context of current capitalist economy and comparable, even rival companies present? And if you have reading comprehension, you'll notice that there is a paragraph in all of my comments to you mentioning Gaben's yatches being obscene and shouldn't be. Anyway, skip to the part below, ending it there:
I never had a dream of becoming a billionaire, or dreaming about those yatches. Or being aspired to and been jealous of through riches. As you have noted, I'm from Turkey and we don't have the fucking American Dream here, dude. But what we had is: Cheapest gaming PC game purchases thanks to Steam for all the goddamn years. Even when we had quite a competitive economy before our glorious economist-god-emperor Tayyip fucked our economy, we were able to buy your 60€ all-stores-including-own-store triple-A games for like 5€-10€. Indie games? Man you won:t believe it, but cents. Now you make the calculations about how much Steam exploited us.
Anyway, I, too, can enjoy this criticism-deflection game, so here goes my response to your personal background digging: Go suck Tim Swiney's epic child-addiction-exploitating-Fortnite-whatever-the-fuck-ever-is-exclusive-dick after you find solace that you supported grinding down the best gaming store that is practicing the most pro-customer policies reliably in a stable and self-sustaining capacity over more than a decade and a half.
"Is overcharging anti consumer?"
You're a fucking idiot.
Games in PC began to be cheap thanks to Valve, no one offered the huge discounts like they did in the past. I pirated everything for years but I stopped thanks to valve's prices. No one became even close to what they offered, and they have become what they are right now with good practices and good services. They could slash their cut in half and still be profitable? Probably, but they are not an NGO.
"they are not an NGO"
Sure, but there's a point in-between making billions and being an NGO.
What's funny is that there's no reason why they couldn't be a non profit.