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Ah. You pray at the altar of Google with the mantra: "It only works in Chrome or Edge. Why not upgrade your browser?"
What could possibly go wrong with giving all the power to one browser engine? If only there was a precedent to learn from...
Bruh, he just explained what his company's workflow is like. He wasn't espousing the opinions that everybody is accusing him of, just saying how his job requires him to work.
This community can be hyper-reactionary sometimes.
Do you think that this workflow is some divine commandment? Developers like him create these. He should totally get some of the blame.
Yeah I'm sure he, alone, is responsible for his company's practices, and isn't just a dude trying to make a paycheck.
I never said he alone did it. I'm sure he'll be happy to share credit for any great product his company makes. Why not take some of the blame too? (I'm not sure if he does think that way though. He hasn't replied since. I'm just replying to other people.)
Why should he take the blame for something he likely has no influence over? That's like blaming the Sandwich Artist because you don't like Subway's bread; he just makes the sandwiches, he doesn't design the recipe.
Honestly, I'd be fine and understand that he cannot but be complicit in this due to powers beyond his reach. I'd eat my words if he says that he doesn't like it, but has to comply. But he seems like he's pretty happy with it. (Again, from that one comment.) I will blame the sandwich artist if he defends shitty sandwiches. Because one has to be responsible for their own work. They're free to not give a fuck about what anyone thinks. But they are complicit.
I'm happy to reply. I don't think I'm complicit to anything else but an inconsequential business decision and I don't care one way or the other about it. I used to use Firefox, but I stopped because some apps were broken on Firefox. I'm not a soldier for any browser im a pragmatic user.
Haha, no. We don't pray. We make web apps to make money. Catering to a negligible users who for some reason want to use the single browser with issues, that's up to them.
I use firefox exclusively, on both my laptop and my phone. It works perfectly on any website I throw at it. I work for a startup which makes video call apps, the web client works perfectly under Firefox, and there's a grand total of 2 devs working on it.
All this to say that if I come across your website and it doesn't work under Firefox, AFAIC it's your website that has issues, not Firefox.
As for the reason, you might be fine with a single megacorp dictating the way the web works, but for many of us who remember what it was like in the IE hegemony days it's a serious concern.
Again, I'm not a soldier for any software. I don't care. It's a pragmatic business decision.
I guess my point is, you should :)
I would, if there wasn't for my personal experience of using Firefox, when I had to switch to other browsers for some websites I used.
Its because of that, that when we decided to ignore Firefox, I wasn't against it.
You do realize that you had the experience due to lazy developers such as yourself?
At what point do you think it starts being the problem of the software?
Because I think that happened a while ago.
When it's the software that's actually faulty. As others have mentioned, Firefox usually sticks to the standards. You're just using some peculiarities of Chromium, which is why you might be having issues. Anyway, this actually seems irrelevant to your stance, since you care more about the market share. Which is fine, being profit driven and all. But then you shouldn't get annoyed when people like me call you lazy.
I shared my experience and almost everything I got was attacks on me. Many of them very personal about what I am and who I am even though nobody here knows anything about me. People are really offended, like I said something bad about their mother. It's effin bizzare.
I'm sorry your favourite browser is not so successful as you want. Really truly sorry, but you don't know anything about me, what I do and how lazy I am.
It's Lemmy, you're anonymous, of course I don't know shit about you. You may be the most wonderful person in real life, but I'll only respond to what you say here. So this defense is utter bullshit. Don't post on anonymous forums and then complain that people don't know anything about you before replying to your comments. That's the whole point of anonymous forums. That people only reply to what you explicitly post, and nothing else.
Also, I'd suggest not taking any of this personally. None of us are properly represented online. All this criticism is just about your opinion on this one topic, and do not reflect our (at least mine) opinion about you as a person. (Because we have no idea about you as a person.)
I have not taken anything here personally. I have answered all the questions even those that were rude. I did all this in high spirit because it seemed like a good debate. But it mostly really wasn't. Because most people reply with basically : your experience isn't valid because you suck. That's what almost all replys were. Even yours.
So let's not pretend any further this is going anywhere and just end it. Have a great day.
Ok
It's a question of
How much effort (man hours which ultimately translates to $$$) versus how much revenue lost (people not buying because of Firefox bugs)
In my experience this depends on your specific application. Sometimes there are weird bugs or behavior where you have to really hunt down what's going on. Other times it's as simple as changing a few css lines or something.
It's almost impossible to calculate revenue lost, but as much as we tried, it was 0 or almost 0.
Again, we don't even check anymore.