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The Framework Laptop 13 is about to become one of the world’s first RISC-V laptops (www.theverge.com)

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[–] qaz@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

ARM = Advanced RISC Machine

However, RISC-V is specific type of RISC and ARM is not a derivative of RISC-V but of RISC.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 5 points 4 months ago

ARM = Advanced RISC Machine

Originally Acorn RISC Machine before that

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To clarify for those that might not understand that explanation, RISC is just a type of instruction set, x86 is CISC, but arm and RISC-V are RISC

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yup. In general:

CISC - complex instruction set - you'll get really exotic operations, like PMADDWD (multiply numbers, then add 16-bit chunks) or the SSE 4.2 string compare instructions
RISC - reduced instruction set - instead of an instruction for everything, RISC requires users to combine instructions, and specialialized extensions are fairly rare

Modern CISC CPUs often (usually? Always?) have a RISC design behind the CISC interface, it just translates CISC -> RISC for processing. RISC CPUs tend to have more user-accessible cores, so the user/OS handles sending instructions. CISC can be faster for complex operations since you have fewer round-trips to the CPU, whereas RISC can handle more instructions simultaneously due to more cores, so big, diverse workloads may see better throughput. Basically, it's the old argument of bandwidth vs latency.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Except modern ARM chips are actually CISC too. Also microcode isn't strictly RISC either. It's a lot more complex than you are thinking.

There are some RISC characteristics ARM has kept like load-store architecture and fixed width instructions. However it's actually more complex in terms of capabilities and instructions than pretty much all earlier CISC systems, as early CISC systems did not have vector units and instructions for example.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, they've gotten a bit bloated, but ARM is still a lot simpler than x86. That's why ARM is usually higher core count, because they don't have as many specialized circuits. That's good for some use cases (servers, low power devices, etc), and generally bad for others (single app uses like gaming and productivity), though Apple is trying to bridge that gap.

But yeah, ARM and x86 are a lot more similar today than they were 10 years ago. There's still a distinct difference though, but RISC-V is a lot more RISC than ARM.