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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yo, define authoritarian in a way that doesn't include western bourgeois democracies or find a different word

The whole "authoritarian" nonsense has its roots in holocaust trivialization attempts in countries that collaborated with the nazis.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

holocaust trivialization

How exactly am I trying to excuse or deny the Holocaust? Are you suggesting that Russia and Israel bullying their smaller neighbor is not authoritarian? Are you suggesting Russia does not treat Central Asian nations the way the US treats those in Latin America? Bullying those around you is wrong no matter what party you are.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would look to historians like Dovid Katz and search for "double genocide theory", I would not like to make this an argument.

Please change your language when posting in the comm. "Authoritarian" and "totalitarian" are not useful descriptors and are historically connected to trying to equate the USSR and nazi Germany in order to do holocaust trivialization.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“Authoritarian” and “totalitarian” are not useful descriptors

So what descriptors are useful?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What are you trying to describe?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think its clear that I am saying that Russia is an oppressive country with goals of being an empire. I am saying that it is wrong for them to do so, and more generally wrong for anyone to do so. Hence me calling them authoritarian and comparing them to the GOP.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay, well say those things instead then.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I did all along. That is where my use of the word authoritarian is coming from.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Okay, but do you see what I am trying to communicate?

Use different language that isnt connected to a holocaust trivialization attempt.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So what form of authoritarian is Russia so that i can use the word for them?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel like you're trying to argue when I'm trying very clearly to communicate,

"Your comments will be moderated if you keep using the word authoritarian"

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So is it wrong to say that the US is authoritarian? Would that be trivializing the holocaust?