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Explaining software development methods by flying to Mars (feddit.uk)

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[-] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 43 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Edgy meme: agile bad

NASA: "Yep, we use agile" https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20160006387/downloads/20160006387.pdf?attachment=true

[+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

NASA also built the space shuttle, which was a plane that couldn't fly by itself (as it was supposed to), was slower to turn around and more expensive than older equivalent technologies, and blew up all the astronauts 1.5% of the time.

I mean, they're great at other things - who else could have made the JWST work flawlessly with one opportunity - but they're a definite source of hype, and they do something very particular and specialised. Beware endorsements.

Edit: Fuck you, I'm right. Keep 'em coming.

I don't even care about Agile either way. This just isn't a good argument for it.

[-] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I can see you're frustrated by the downvotes and pushback you've received. It's understandable to feel defensive when your viewpoint isn't well-received. I appreciate you sharing your perspective, even if it goes against the majority opinion here.

Your points about the space shuttle program's challenges are valid and worth discussing. It's important to note the timeframes involved though. The shuttle was developed in the 1970s, well before agile methodologies emerged in the 1990s and 2000s.

Interestingly, one could argue that NASA may have used agile-like practices in the space shuttle program, even if they weren't labeled as such at the time. However, I did a quick search and couldn't find much concrete evidence to support this idea. It's an intriguing area that might merit further research.

Regarding modern agile approaches, while no method is perfect, many organizations have found them helpful for improving flexibility and delivering value incrementally. NASA's recent use of agile for certain projects shows they're open to evolving their methods.

I'm curious to hear more about your thoughts on software development approaches for complex engineering projects. What do you see as the pros and cons of different methodologies? Your insights could add a lot to this discussion.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 days ago

I can see you’re frustrated by the downvotes and pushback you’ve received. It’s understandable to feel defensive when your viewpoint isn’t well-received. I appreciate you sharing your perspective, even if it goes against the majority opinion here.

Thanks for the kind words. FWIW I'm doing fine, this feels like a worthy fight. I know a bad appeal to authority when I see one.

Interestingly, one could argue that NASA may have used agile-like practices in the space shuttle program, even if they weren’t labeled as such at the time. However, I did a quick search and couldn’t find much concrete evidence to support this idea. It’s an intriguing area that might merit further research.

There's somebody else in the thread talking about the Apollo missions and Agile. Uhh, here, because I don't know if federated comment links are supported yet. There's no source for that already provided, though.