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The Netherlands generates way more solar power than Canada. Here's how they do it - Global investment in solar power now tops all other energy generation technologies combined, says IEA (www.cbc.ca)
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While Canada lags behind in solar adoption, many places including Germany, China, Japan and even the United States are moving quickly.

In fact, on certain days, some places are generating so much energy, the price to purchase it is dropping below zero, prompting concerns about storage capacity for the abundant power source.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't read the article but.... :)

Generally the big problem we still have to solve with reviewables is storage.

I think that one advantage that the NL has with renewables is that they don't have the storage problem, because they can always reroute to more pumping water out the polders.

[–] sushimi@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Actually,

  • energy grid in NL is becoming unstable because of solar energy :/ (e.g. by houses supplying it onto the network)
  • and our cable network is not capable of handling the EV cars recharge requirements.
  • and houses to be built not able to get an electric connection, because of electrical infrastructure capacity-problems.

So, don't bet on solar too soon

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Actually, lack of capacity is pro-petro propaganda. In Ontario demand and generation can literally double in a week and still be within the normal range. Using smart charging (not Smart^TM^) it would be easy to recharge commuter vehicles overnight in such a way that the baseload is increased making the grid MORE stable, not less.

[–] sushimi@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

in NL, the sun rarely shines and especially doesn't during the night. and since there's no proper way to store huge amounts of electrical power during the day,

  • charging overnight isn't an option
  • we're left to feeding the exess power onto the grid
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like kinks to be ironed out rather than insurmountable problems tbh.

[–] sushimi@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

True. but the govt is screwing over the people by creating these problems. This is not the only thing consistenly going the wrong way.

To me, it's like most people in Govt have no clue that the U.N.'s S.D.G.'s are a recipy for trouble.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Why do you say that the UN Sustainable Development Goals are a recipe for trouble?

[–] sushimi@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because they're a non-democratic party, and they've cooked up a big plan which is being rolled out in all connected countries.

in NL, the government has committed already in 2015 https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/ontwikkelingssamenwerking/internationale-afspraken-ontwikkelingssamenwerking While there's no money in SDG's there's an enormous drive to make it progress.. Wonder who is paying for all that. Here are some websites showing Dutch government initiatives;

The SDG plans seem benevolent, but the problem i have with it; while the outcome sounds nice, it doesn't say 'how' they want to arrive there.

i've seen the Arup/c40 publication regarding going for 'sustainability'. e.g. it calls a target of 0 Kg meat, and 0 Kg dairy per person per year, an Ambitious target for 2030?! Here you can download their PDF https://www.arup.com/perspectives/publications/research/section/the-future-of-urban-consumption-in-a-1-5c-world

I think it's an interesting read for realizing how extreme groups are willing to think, and not even being ashamed for it, or being called out on it

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Solar in some cases can actually address the [over exaggerated] concerns regarding EV charging. By bringing power generation closer to where the power is being used, there can be less load on the long distance transmission lines. In some cases it can also reduce the load on local transformers.

But all of that is mostly irrelevant, the transition to EVs will happen over the next 30 years. Even if we weren't looking to move to EVs if we ignored the current grid we would be in trouble. But like anything we'll upgrade parts slowly as needed.

[–] sushimi@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

i agree. as long as industry makes money the train keeps moving. But Toyota doesn't bet on EVs. Sparks my interest.

Regarding concens. i wonder when the "green train" wakes up to the mounting recycling problem of

  • lithium EV batteries,
  • windturbine blades
  • solar panels
[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

All of those things are recyclable today with wind turbines being the hardest and batteries being the easiest. But the quantity of materials that needs recycling is still low so there are only a handful of companies doing it.