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Immutable distros recommindation? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by JustMarkov@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I was thinking about going immutable for a long time and now I'm choosing a distro to hop to.
My question is: what are good immutable distros other than Fedora Silverblue spins, UBlue family and NixOS?
Maybe someone uses/used any? What is/was your experience with it?

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[–] flork@lemy.lol 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm surprised to hear you don't like Fedora. I recently tried Kinoite and I wish I'd discovered it sooner. I've never had a Linux distro that felt so detail-oriented and complete. I'd be curious to hear your reasoning!

[–] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's complicated and I have a few reasons.

  1. Last time I used it, Fedora's updates were too unstable. I twice got updates breaking my system setup. For example, with openSUSE it happened only once (recent broken Mesa update). Also openSUSE updates surprisingly feel more stable than Fedora ones.
  2. I don't like Red Hat. Even though I understand that open-source projects are complex and I should separate developers from their software, that doesn't change my opinion on Red Hat.
  3. This problem stems from the previous ones. Using Fedora I feel like a beta-tester for future Red Hat projects and especially RHEL.

Keep in mind, that I last used Fedora on versions 37–38 and things might have changed since.

[–] sergay@discuss.online 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

OP, I don't intend to convince you otherwise. I merely intend to share my own takes on this. So, without further a due.

  1. Last time I used it, Fedora's updates were too unstable. I twice got updates breaking my system setup.

So, first of all, you seem to think that Fedora's updates are equally "unstable" compared to those found on Fedora Atomic. But this is simply categorically wrong due to Fedora Atomic being (as it's name applies) an atomic distro. And hence has far superior updates (in terms of 'stability').

Secondly, I recall this period quite vividly, and I actually agree with you that Fedora's handling was a mess. And, unfortunately, this mess also affected Fedora Atomic. Thankfully, uBlue's team ensured that the issues were not felt on any of its images. So, even if, at times, issues spill over to Fedora Atomic, users of uBlue images will not have to face those. Heck, history has recorded that the uBlue images have consistently prevented those issues to spill over to its images. Thus, while this may (perhaps rightfully so) make one question if they should use Fedora Atomic or not; this, however, does not represent the situation over at uBlue images. Hence, one could rely on those without fearing issues related to 'stability'.

  1. I don't like Red Hat. Even though I understand that open-source projects are complex and I should separate decelopers from their software, that doesn't change my opinion on Red Hat.

Fair. What makes you hate Red Hat? I know often cited reasons for why people hate Red Hat. But what are your reasons*?

  1. This problem stems from the previous ones. Using Fedora I feel like a beta-tester for future Red Hat projects and especially RHEL.

Is this specifically a problem because you hate Red Hat? Because, quite frankly, the same somewhat applies to openSUSE and SLE. But this doesn't seem to bother you.

Keep in mind, that I last used Fedora on versions 37–38 and things might have changed since.

Excellent point. Since that 'double trouble', it has been relatively stable. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Fedora would act similarly if a new issue arises.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

With atomic, unstable updates aren't a problem. You can just run back to previous.

Atomic distros are so cool like that.