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Speaking as someone who suffers from both conditions, captchas are not a significantly worse problem for depressed people than for others—they're impersonal, and while irritating, they set a fairly low bar for effort. Dealing with machines being machines is comparatively easy if you're able to make the effort to fill out the join-up form at all.
Asking someone for something, on the other hand, is high-effort for many depressed people for a couple of reasons:
It requires you to feel worthy of help, because if you're certain you're going to be refused, why bother trying? Depression and low self-worth tend to go hand in hand.
It requires you to risk refusal. Even if the other person's reason for refusing is neutral ("I no longer do that for anyone," for example), it can feed back into the depression and make it worse. Since this can hurt one hell of a lot, you learn not to ask.
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It's true that some people won't be able to scrape together enough interest or effort to pass even the captcha, but this alternative is much worse.
The issue with the group network version is that a few large corporations would end up taking it over. Again.
I could also go "as a" = "chrust me", but since this is the same as mincing words to say "yall buncha gullible cows!", I won't. Still, due to the merits of the topic (captcha and potential replacements) I'll still go on.
To be blunt you're in the worst demographic to talk about this from personal experience, as having both at the same time impairs your ability to tell their effects apart. Unless you were specific on "people who have both" (you weren't).
When someone has depression without the social anxiety, the problem is not if something is personal or not. People are... whatever, yet another bloody thing getting in the way of what you want. Just like waking up, shaving, or working on that huge pile of work so you can eat in the next month. (In fancy terms your "sense of agency" goes down the bloody drain.)
Captcha does affect it. It isn't just "irritating". It's yet another bloody barrier. And, as I said in another comment, it will likely get worse over time due to botting improvements. (And likely more egregious too, as people tend to overuse systems falling apart.)
Would this sort of system be another barrier? Yes, I'm not pretending that it wouldn't. Feel free to drop ideas for any system that keeps botters out, without being at least a minor barrier for humans*, given that captcha is likely going the way of the dodo.
Another thing that you ain't taking into account is that some people are really, really eager to offer shit, as long as they have the ability to do so. "I can guarantee people! Do you want to be guaranteed? Please please it's cool!" That's bound lower the barrier of the bother of asking those things called "other human beings" for help, and it makes you feel less like "I'm being helped, do I really deserve it?" and more like "okay whatever I'm playing along to get rid of you".
Explain two things here.
*Another poster mentioned proof of work; it's an idea worth thinking about, although it has a few cons.