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Hypothesis: Insufficient moderation tools lead to instance protectionism, which leads to a decline in the overall discussion quality on Lemmy (lemmy.world)

submitted 9 months ago by blue_berry@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

If this is true, it may also cause users on smaller instances to migrate to bigger instances, because there is more activity. Undermining the power and freedom of the decentralized structure of Lemmy and the fediverse.

[-] Izzy@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

What kind of moderation tools could help with this?

[-] jherazob@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Here's a laundry list from one of the Beehaw people, and apparently the devs don't have any of this as a priority

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[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What I think could help against instance protectionism:

A.) Better moderation tools to protect against SPAM and trash

B.) Better curation algorithm, especially for smaller instances, to smartly curate posts that are relevant to the user

C.) Better default-values for the selected feed (All instead of local), as well as for the discovery of communities (which is also currently local by default)

If B is not realized, smaller instances will have no handle against big instances flooding their user's feeds with their posts and they will switch back to local-default again.

Overall, it can be brought down to making the All-feed more attractive. In my opinion, there should only be the subscribed-feed and an all-feed with curated posts (with different sorting algorithms to chose from in the best case). Or at least these should be the main ones.

[-] Jomn@jlai.lu 5 points 9 months ago

To me, the Local feed is one of the biggest strengths of Lemmy. It allows having in the same platform a community/instance based feed (for example, Local in jlai.lu allows you to find most of the French activity in Lemmy), and at the same time, I can use "Subscribed" and/or "All" feeds to get a broader view of the Fediverse.

Without the "Local" view, Lemmy would just feel like another Reddit clone to me, where French communities would just be flooded by English-speaking communities. On Reddit, the French community actually had to create a subreddit dedicated to listing all French subreddits, just because the discoverability of non-English-speaking subreddits is just awful by default on Reddit.

And at the same time, I don't see the need for "curation algorithms". The "Subscribed" feed already fills this use case for me.

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago

All these issues only apply to large generalized instances like lemmy.world and not smaller instances where the local feed is the curated high quality feed.

It would be IMHO better to remove the all feed and in general get away from large generalized instances that are harmful to the federation.

[-] Jomn@jlai.lu 3 points 9 months ago

I agree, I feel like most of the "feed" issues are simply because users are in big instances where the "Local" feed indeed becomes meaningless.

Something that would however be cool would be a way to view the Local feed from another instance, without having to actually go to the other instance.

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[-] kubica@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

I was going to say that B might not be so easy. But maybe some kind customization on the ratio of local vs external posts on some of the top posts lists. Just a random idea.

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