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https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1680733391464071169
@Wario64: Xbox Live Gold will apparently transition to Xbox Game Pass Core on Sept 1st
-includes online multiplayer and various benefits -same price as XBLG -Existing XBLG subscribers will convert to Core -includes 25 Game Pass titles -GWG offers will end
cafe.naver.com/xboxinfo/100598
I really, really don't like the "games as a service" thing Microsoft is trying to shove into the industry. Just watch, it will pan out exactly like the streaming services. Once the golden years (equivalent of OG Netflix) of "burn money by throwing in more games than we can afford" are over, we will gradually see fragmentation, price hikes, cost-cutting, etc.
Fuck Microsoft.
I know I'm preaching to the choir, but whatever.
I know what you're saying, and it's definitely possible this will backfire on us, but currently Microsoft has been really dedicated to PC gaming and have been really good to PC gamers.
All games are released on game pass day 1, which means you can play all of their new games for cheap vs having to pay $100 CAD+ for them. They are also releasing their games on steam, which means you don't even have to use their platform. They are also integrating other companies into game pass, so you can play EA Games and Ubisoft games if you have a game pass subscription. I played the crap out of battlefield 2042 through my game pass subscription.
They also have the ability to play Xbox only games on PC, which is super awesome. It requires the next tier up, and then you can straight up play Xbox games on your PC. I was playing Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts. It launches the game in some kind of cloud gaming emulator thing.
So idk. I don't really agree with your Fuck Microsoft attitude, because they are currently being really incredible for the PC gaming market. I say we can be skeptical about the future, but I don't really see much to hate on right now.
Edit: Microsoft also doesn't require a subscription. Like I said, you can buy their games on steam, or you can buy them from the Microsoft store. A subscription is optional, and it's nice for people who want to pay $15 CAD per month and play a crap ton of different games instead of paying out right for 1 game.
Microsoft ... have been really good to PC gamers.
Don't forget that businesses are not your friend. They don't care about you. They only care about making money.
I know. I didn't say they were. That's why I said we can be skeptical, but there's no reason to be so upset screaming fuck Microsoft when they are currently being really great when it comes to gaming.
The same could be said about steam, by the way. At any moment Gabe can fuck us over, or can die and we get fucked, but until we see that happen, I feel like we all trust steam.
You can be skeptical over Microsoft, especially because of their past, but their new manager in charge of their gaming division is doing really well. In fact, I'd say investing in Microsoft for gaming right now is a better deal, considering it's a cheaper monthly fee. My steam account has a bit over 10,000 dollars of games in it that Gabe can take back at any time. That's 666 months (55.5 years) of an Xbox game pass subscription in Canada. It's more risky for me to continue buying on steam. I won't, as I love steam as a platform, but it still is more risky.
You shouldn't assume I'm on team Steam just because I'm not on team Microsoft. This isn't r/pcgaming on Reddit where everyone is blindly praising Valve.
I prefer a game store where I actually own my games anyway, like GOG.
Okay. I don't see the need to be a negative Nancy and be upset at everyone all because the company has the potential to screw you over. Microsoft nor Valve are being bad guys right now. They are doing wonders for PC gaming, and as a gamer, I'm really excited.
I'll change my thoughts and opinions as needed, but for now, I'll enjoy the small victories in life.
Also you do realize that steam allows developers to upload DRM free games to steam, right? Where you can copy the .exe and play the game without ever installing steam? Not sure why you're upset over steam or think they are a required DRM.
They're doing wonders for PC gaming in terms of getting you to consume more of their product. It's okay to enjoy that, it's also recommended to stay aware of the fact that businesses primarily care about making money. I assume that you're capable of doing both.
Steam allows DRM-free games, but does nothing to incentivize them. You cannot download games without their proprietary client, and some games still have DRM on Steam while being DRM-free elsewhere: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Batman:_Arkham_City
screaming fuck Microsoft when they are currently being really great when it comes to gaming.
Try cancelling the Gold subscription and then tell me how really great they are. All the shenanigans you hear American companies using to prevent you from doing that suddenly rear their ugly head. 'Oh the membership portal is down, call in', [2hour wait on the phone later] 'oh, you need to contact this dept. instead even if this was the number support gives you for cancelling subs'. 'oh fine you want to cancel okay, but it will only take effect at the end of the month and IF you use the service any time between now and then it will renew the subscription'... and so on until you call the CC company, ask them to revoke the autopayment, they refuse (because you had an agreement that's lasted so long), so you close the card and warn them any and all payments that come out are their problem so get on that shit now before it costs them money...
Nah, they're a corporation. One with negative influences that far exceed what little good this ONE aspect of their business might seem to you. Even in this 1 thing, they are good to you until that is no longer in their interest, then they try to F you every way they can.
Fuck Microsoft, especially for Gold Live for fooling rubes into thinking they're this great magnanimous gift to humanity.
I tried posting this comment already but it didn't go through? But I literally got a partial refund from Microsoft for cancelling my subscription. They refunded me for the unused days.
Not sure why you're so angry at Microsoft.
Literally reads a chain of infuriating events for all to see why one might be angry. "Didn't happen to meh". Expects others to interpret wilful ignorance as anything other than sheer stupidity at best, or blatant trolling at worst [slow clap]
Literally reads a chain of infuriating events for all to see why one might be angry. “Didn’t happen to meh”.
So why are they angry? What is happening to them, that isn't happening to me? Are they unable to request refunds? are they unable to buy Microsoft games outside of the Microsoft store? are they unable to buy the DRM free games from Steam?
They are pulling shit from years ago, despite me proving that Microsoft not only makes it easy to cancel, but they do refunds for unused days.
They hate Microsoft and Valve for not being able to "own your games", despite me showing that steam has plenty of DRM-free games, which doesn't require Steam or any authentication to play.
They are bringing up the past, despite Microsoft currently showing that they are dedicated to gaming, and providing a really good experience, as well as publishing their games on Steam instead of only their own store.
Why so angry? Why not look at the full picture, and judge based on current events? Microsoft may turn evil, and being skeptical is fine, but at what point are you beyond being skeptical?
Also, not sure why you gotta call me names. Have I called anyone else names this entire time? Can we just have a fucking discussion instead of turning into Reddit 2.0 with trolling and name calling? Jesus Christ.
I've cancelled various subscriptions through Microsoft probably 10 times over the last 15 years and never had any issues. In fact my experience is often that the bigger the company the easier it is to cancel things or get a refund. Hell Amazon has on multiple occasions just sent me money for something I wanted to return and told me to not bother even returning it.
Obviously I'm not defending megacorporations - they're fundamentally incompatible with a moral society, but of my many complaints with them, "Their products don't work" or "Their customer service is subpar" is almost never one of them.
Well. Of course they are currently good to PC players. They want to take over a large chunk of the market after all.
The new food delivery business local to me has also been giving me a lot of subsidized delivery options. Until they run out of money or own a large chunk of the market that is.
GamePass for me actually ends up being more expensive. The majority of games on there aren't really good games or one I'd like to play. So once we approach a subscription only model I'll have to pay 15 money per month to just play that one game I like.
It's already happened with games like Redfall - just pump out any crap to keep up the "content" numbers.
And then raise prices once you've got a large market.
In the end it'll be like Netflix - mass-produced, low-quality games for a steep subscription - more aimed at sitting your children down to keep them quiet, than a high quality experience for gamers.
Redfall's development was started years before Microsoft acquired Zenimax. They had nothing to do with any of the GAAS stuff in that game. In fact people at Bethesda were hoping that Microsoft would cancel Redfall because its development had been so troubled, but Xbox apparently has a very hands off approach with their studios. Maybe that will change in the wake of Redfall's disastrous release.
RIP Games with Gold
So they finally did it? Last time they wanted to increase the Xbox live price, people went crazy. Now they rename it and throw some games you might never play and raise the price to 10€.
That's a lot. Imagine how gamepass will look like in ~5years if it becomes really big. Sold my Series X some weeks ago since I was never using it. I was almost exclusively playing on my PC.
The price of Game Pass Core is the same as the current price of Xbox Live Gold. This is basically a rebranding exercise (and the long-expected culling of Games With Gold).
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