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Image description: Image shows batches 1, 2 and 3 sold out for the Ryzen 7 7840HS which costs $1,399.
cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/1226322
For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.
It's at batch 5 now
Batch 6 as of last night
I don't need a laptop right now since I have a recent nvidia 3060 model, but I will probably be switching to framework after this one is no longer keeping up.
I hope they keep going up, and by the time I need a new gaming laptop again in 5+ years time they have them. Currently not really an option for me sadly, but maybe one day
I haven’t followed their activities re/ beginning to also use Ryzen chips (or at all, to be honest) recently, but I am very glad they seem to be doing well & able to produce/ship another compelling product!
Their core ideas have sounded compelling to me from the start.
What sort of Linux compatibility can we expect with this generation?
All the parts are specifically chosen to be Linux compatible. Probably why they chose the AMD GPU.
Looks like Framework has a Linux compatibility guide and the fingerprint reader is probably the thing that won't work out of the box for most distros.
Uhhhh it says "works out of the box" 🤔
For some of them. The others say "Not officially supported".
You said "for most distros". I don't see any.
Manjaro and Linux Mint are on that list and say "not officially supported."
It should be fully compatible, right? Ryzen 7 doesn't require a specific driver for Linux, it's supported by the Linux kernel. I think the only issue would be a specific driver for the GPU.
The GPU driver should already be in mesa, no?
I think it's usually things like trackpads and WiFi modules that typically have compatibility issues with Linux.
If you stick with Ubuntu LTS or Fedora you should have full support out of the box
[...] or the DIY Edition that you can configure more deeply, assemble yourself, and bring your preferred OS, including Linux. AMD has a strong focus on Linux drivers, and we provide in-house support and guides for Ubuntu LTS and Fedora.
https://frame.work/at/en/blog/framework-laptop-16-pre-orders-are-now-open
Do they make anything with a good graphics card?
You can get it with a radeon rx7700s (which is around the same as a nvidia 4050 mobile)
According to notebookcheck, rx7600s is already 20% faster than 4050 mobile. And this is rx7700s.
Eh, I could live with that I guess. I'll have to take another look at these when my laptop dies.
The GPU is also upgradable. Given Framework's track record the likelihood that you will be able to upgrade it to an 8000 or 9000 series AMD GPU or even an Nvidia or ARC GPU down the line is damn near 100%.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they released an adapter that lets you plug your old GPU into a standard PCIe slot afterwards.
That's badass! I'm sold.
For $1700.
Translation: no
The fact that it's not junk in 3 years is worth a bit of a premium.
If you want to run a 2016 macbook chassis until the end of time you certainly are in the demographic for these things.
Not everyone wants lightbar or webcam notch. Early 2010s were peak MacBook designs IMO. It still was solid OS and the laptops had magsafe and fullsize USB.
I have never wanted any apple anything. The chassis styling is not my bag, the "innovations" they try to force on to the industry are even worse.
I do admit that many many people think that it was peak laptop and apple still makes basically the same laptop.
My daily driver is an asus g14. I can see framework getting popular and aftermarket chassis coming out that are more my preference.
I still won't spend an extra 35% for a laptop with swappable hardware, not when I can sell the whole thing into the used market for more than that 35% difference and get a whole new kit every 5 years.
15% premium and a full customization market? That's another question. Chicken and egg thing and I'm paying attention for my next actual replacement system.
Yeah I see your point there. It is indeed a bit of chicken and egg problem, but it's not 35% for laptop with swap-able hardware. The customization is probably the main selling point. If you want Ethernet port in your laptop, that rules out pretty much any recent model out there. Add upgrade-able memory, storage (or an option for multiple storage devices), some more specific port selection (like full size HDMI) and you might only have handful of models to choose from.
Can you do a lot of that with USB-C dongle? Sure, but dongle isn't built in and also costs extra money. Are there many people out there that don't need any of these ports? Sure! But if you're one of those that do, this might be your only real option. Especially once we get to the more exotic modules like that RGB Macropad.
I'm personally not in that market at all, but I definitely see why people might want this and saying that it's 35% markup just for the ability to upgrade and repair is missing the point a bit.
They only have 2 models. One of which (mentioned in the OP) has not been shipped yet, they just started taking orders.
Not only does the 16 model support GPUs but they are totally optional, and also can be simply swapped and upgraded at a later date. They are completely modular like a proper desktop computer.
You'll probably find other board partners selling drop-in replacements also in the near future.
Lotta Framework ads popping up in the feed here. My god we get it. You have a new laptop.
You see ads in your Lemmy feed?
They're implying that all the posts must be astroturfing.
While you imply that they're not.
Not enough people on Lemmy to spend the time.
IDK, according to some estimates, we're somewhere between 400k-1M. Still small, but starting to get interesting from an astroturfing perspective, especially since many people here are unlikely to be on sites with ads.
MAU is about 70k, compared to 300M on Reddit.
Sure, but how many of those 300M are bots, and how many of those 70k generally disable ads?
Maybe we're not quite attractive enough for astroturfing, but I think we're close. Close enough to be on the lookout for it.
Sure, but how many of those 300M are bots
How many of the 70k are bots?
how many of those 70k generally disable ads?
Don't understand what that has to do with anything.
How many of the 70k are bots?
Fair question. I think it's a pretty low percentage because it is still pretty niche, but I'm seeing more and more bots now that people have figured out how to make them.
ads
Don't understand what that has to do with anything.
If lemmy users are more likely to use ad blockers and whatnot, then the best way to target them is with SM posts. So if you know you're missing a certain percentage of potential customers, then it could make sense to change your advertising strategy.
For example, astroturfing may be more costly on a platform like Facebook than directly using the advertising platform, and it works because most users there don't block ads. Lemmy doesn't have ads, so the only way to advertise to those users would be through engagement with the platform.
I think he was just explaining what the other person meant. You're inferring or assuming a subtext of disagreement or antagonism that I'm just not seeing.
Probably seeing a lot today since the Laptop 16 has been a pretty hyped product and preorders opened today. It’ll die out soon enough.
Was considering getting one early next year and so just waiting a bit before ordering one. Seeing how fast they are selling out, this might actually be quite tough, haha ^^
Same here 😅
Well for me it's gonna be a 13, but it's still expected to be delivered during Q4