traingang

Actually, there are also bikes you can use with an app but curiously you don't see kids doing reckless shit with those, almost as if electric scooters were uniquely terrible

So what do you figure the magical compound in E-Scooters is here?

The other day I got surprised by a couple on an e-bike flying down the sidewalk as I was leaving a store. They proceeded 20 yards down the sidewalk to where a worker was setting up some outdoor seating and went right up to them before they stopped and then just waited right there, making that person's job that much worse after threatening to hit them. I kinda think they got lucky and were just able to stop in time. small motorized vehicles either gotta have pretty restrictive speed caps or be prohibited from a lot of pedestrian areas. E-bikes one-hundred percent need to be in the road. Also mandatory helmets, but that should almost go without saying - except I hardly ever see anyone on an e-bike that is wearing a helmet.

On the one hand you have people living in walkable cities that almost universally hate the e-scooter.
On the other you have a bunch of americans who have managed to grasp the concept "car bad", but have not moved on to the "why" and are thus stuck at not comprehending why people might take issue with the way E-scooters take up public space.

In this situation you chose an example where a car was involved sadly, so your overarching point will not be interrogated, but I just want to say: I agree with you. E-scooters fucking suck, they make life much worse for pedestrians and bicyclists. Traffic here (speaking as a bicyclist) has gotten much better since they've been banned from downtown.

the kid example is kind of grasping at straws, but in my experience, scooter rider dudes are the absolute worst sort of people who make commuting unsafe for everyone. everyday i have to deal with some jackass acting unsafe while i'm cycling like a normal person following the rules.

This is just the dirtbike discourse from a few days ago all over again. Reposting this thread which I hope helps make some of the scooter-brained users here understand why people are against e-scooter implementation in public infrastructure.
Good urban planning isn't when "you get to go fast on an e-scooter and any impediment to this is bad". There's a reason people are arguing for 15-minute cities instead of ceding roads to scooters and it isnt because they hate fun.
Read up on "Practice Theory". A good entry point is Making Mobilities Matter.

E-scooters have far more accidents than bikes. Rideshare e-scooters have a lifespan of 9-18 months, they are not sustainable. The alternative to an e-scooter is not a car, it is a bike or public transport. E-scooters can work, but as they are implemented in the west they don't, which is why people critique them. Yes we should change our society, this doesn't mean we should hand over the shattered remains of public infrastructure to techbro parasites.

Actually, there are also bikes you can use with an app but curiously you don't see kids doing reckless shit with those,

I did watch two guys attempting to stunt on the big rental ebikes from one of these companies and they clipped eachother at speed and both ate shit like 5 feet in front of me lol. But they were older and also not in traffic, they were in a park

I am jealous of cities that have good bikeshare programs that don't rely on leaving ewaste all over town