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I should begin by mentioning that I am (was) a moderator of three subreddits: one large subreddit, one NSFW subreddit and a medical-related subreddit. After u/spez's calamitous AMA, I joined Lemmy and haven't looked back. I am really enjoying the Lemmy/KBin vibe. It is very much an alpha (almost beta) product and the ad free, corporate free, decentralized nature of the fediverse has a thrill of its own.

Over the past couple of months, Reddit has done everything it can to show its moderators that they are low-value and easily replaceable. They've done this by removing technical tools, killing off third party applications, crippling API changes and jaw-droppingly bad public relations. Heavily used products like /r/toolbox are no longer being actively developed. When Reddit API implements a breaking, non-backwards compatible change, that tool will also die.

Yet the moderators of Reddit continue to moderate. They stay and help Reddit build Reddit. They continue to work for free; to allow Reddit to make money off of their work despite being abused. When I see things like the comment section on this post, I no longer feel sorry for the Reddit moderators still on the site. I see them as a sad, sorry group who cling to the false hope of a corporate turnaround. They could leave Reddit. They should leave Reddit.

These moderators are in an abusive relationship with Reddit, Inc. I might understand the argument, "we built this community, we can't just abandon it". But would you give the same advice to someone else in an abusive relationship? I get that the analogy between the mods and the corp is an imperfect one, yet it is similar enough to be valid, in my opinion.

Moderating is really hard. It is hard and thankless and never-ending. Finding good moderators who can handle the marathon nature of the gig is incredibly difficult. If Reddit moderators were to delete their moderating bots, downgrade their automod "code" and dial back their modding efforts to 5 min/week or less, it would materially hurt Reddit as a product.

The sunk-cost fallacy is a real thing. If the Reddit mods understood this, they'd take their talents elsewhere. But as long as they continue to help Reddit build Reddit, one shouldn't feel sorry for them.

They could leave. I did and I've never been happier.

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[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

One of the gaming subs mods were acting like they couldn't even be part of the strike because they were "providing an important service" and another one pcgaming I think offered what was basically token resistance.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yet the moderators of Reddit continue to moderate. They stay and help Reddit build Reddit. They continue to work for free; to allow Reddit to make money off of their work despite being abused.

I already had a very low opinion of unpaid internet janitors, but this made me think even less of them lol.

[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Enough sense to be angry but not enough to leave

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[–] Grace@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I used to mod about 3 dozen big/medium Subreddits too. It was worth it though, because through it I somehow found my girlfriend of 1 year. Drama was a real headache in those places.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Mods get all the girls 😔

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eh, so a couple of things:

These moderators are in an abusive relationship with Reddit, Inc.

The sunk-cost fallacy is a real thing. If the Reddit mods understood this, they’d take their talents elsewhere. But as long as they continue to help Reddit build Reddit, one shouldn’t feel sorry for them.

They could leave. I did...

That's not at all how abusive relationships work. I get what you're saying, and the comparison isn't that far off, but your conclusions are wildly off base.

I was a mod of some big subs too, and I have a friend who's staying at one of the very large "Ask(Insert Specific Thing Here)" subs. He genuinely cares about the integrity of the thing people ask about and doesn't want it to devolve into conspiracy theory nonsense. I get it, and yeah we know he is physically capable of leaving, but I admire that about him and I do feel sorry for him. For all of them, for being so disrespected in the first place. And yes, he does understand all of the points you just made - we've discussed it ad nauseam.

It's Reddit's fault, not theirs or ours. Fuck spez.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, people felt bad for the mods??

I never did. Far too many of them were power-hungry douchebags. We all knew they officially worked for free, but you won't convince me that there weren't some kind of backdoor deals which gave them money or other perks from advertisers. Plus there were at least some of them who were there to spread propaganda - when a Bernie Sanders sub is actively trying to promote the idea that a vote for Trump is the best pick for liberals, then you know some crazy shit is going down.

Yeah, so I have no idea why anyone would feel bad for them. They have put themselves in that position, all so SPEZ can take Reddit public and make a few billion dollars over the deal.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

you won’t convince me that there weren’t some kind of backdoor deals which gave them money

how would that stay secret

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[–] DrAnthony@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

but you won’t convince me that there weren’t some kind of backdoor deals which gave them money or other perks from advertisers.

I was a mod for r/games for years and never got a single perk. I must have been doing it wrong.

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[–] ram@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This whole affair just confirms what many people already knew, mods are addicted to power. That's the real reason they didn't leave.

[–] Landmammals@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 year ago

Addicted to duty is more like it. People in abusive relationships rarely feel powerful.

[–] Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Moderators are not a vital part of Reddit, mods are Reddit.

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I might understand the argument, “we built this community, we can’t just abandon it”.

Odin: "~~Asgard~~ Reddit is not a place. It's a people."

~~Spiss~~ Thanos: "Fine. I'll do it myself."

[–] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

I was the sole mod of of a decent sized sub (12k users) until spez made it clear how unappreciated my work to combat spam & scams actually is.

I deleted my 12 year old main account, the other coming soon.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the reality isn't that they're hoping for a corporate turnaround, but rather that they don't want to lose the power and control they have. I mean Reddit is a huge community and having control of that, I'm sure, can get to ones head. Enough to do it for free

Ive never felt sorry for them. My experience with them, the few times Ive needed to interact with them, is that they're so absorbed into their power that they see themselves as infallible. They judged you as a wrong doer and there's no way it was a mistake or inflexible interpretation of their own made up rules.

[–] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was also a mod on Reddit, for about six years.

There are people as you describe. The rest of us hated them, too, because not only did we have the same grievances as normal users but, on top of that, they made all mods look bad by association and started (or perpetuated) a lot of the stereotypes users across the internet still have about internet mods.

Those people weren't all mods, though. Even among those left at Reddit that won't leave, I think a lot of mods just don't care one way or the other and think they can keep moderating as they always have as the place starts to fracture. I think they're wrong, which is why I left. Certainly all the worst powermods and terminally online folk won't leave, for the reasons you do outline, but even now I don't think it's right to paint everyone with that broad a brush.

[–] nix@merv.news 8 points 1 year ago

Which medical subreddit if you dont mind sharing? Would be great to have askdocs type community on lemmy.

The most valuable resources of reddit imo was the ones like askdocs and askalawyer because it gave so many people who cant really afford to pay hundreds to thousands of dollars for quick questions especially if they aren’t sure they need a professionals help.

So many young people also got to use those subreddits for advice they couldn’t otherwise get

[–] aquinteros@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

well put, I have also found a home here in the fediverse and I actually enjoy it more than reddit, I wish more mods would have done the same thing

[–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hope it's a matter of time. I'm starting to feel more communities are becoming more and more populated and it's by now just starting to top reddit.

Edit: thinking about it, if people still like it on reddit than, whatever anyone wants. I've got a feeling the quality is better here, so I don't think I'd mind it staying a bit lesss mega-big.

[–] shotgun_ninja@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Hey, I'm here now, at least. I vented my frustrations, exposed their shit over here, and signed up for lemmy.

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