jwz: Mozilla is an advertising company now (www.jwz.org)

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Also from Jamie Zawinski yesterday: Mozilla's Original Sin

Some will tell you that Mozilla's worst decision was to accept funding from Google, and that may have been the first domino, but I hold that implementing DRM is what doomed them, as it led to their culture of capitulation. It demonstrated that their decisions were the decisions of a company shipping products, not those of a non-profit devoted to preserving the open web.

Those are different things and are very much in conflict. They picked one. They picked the wrong one.

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[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 218 points 1 week ago

Still the best browser to support, still the best hope of defending open web standards from Google. Call me when they implement the ads in an onerous way.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 153 points 1 week ago

Fucking finally. So many reactionary nerds here. Yes, it may turn to shit. It may not. The result is unknown. What I do know is Firefox has been my browser of choice for two whole decades. Chromium actively is killing adblockers. Firefox right now is not.

If something happens I'll make a switch. Right now, nothing has.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah, everything kinda bad Firefox does, everything else seems to do worse. So I'm staying with it until that changes.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Switch to Librewolf

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[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 70 points 1 week ago

Why having DRM behind a "do you want to install DRM to play media" button is seen as a bad thing? Otherwise everyone would have to use chromium.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 78 points 1 week ago

No one can tell you here beyond "DRM bad". Which it is, and I hate it, but you're exactly right. All it would do if Firefox refused to implement would drive most users to chrome because there DRM works.

We are not the majority. The majority (and by that I mean roughly 96% of users) want their browser just to work. Taking a moral stand doesn't resonate with them, they just see a broken browser and move on.

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[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 11 points 1 week ago

Do Firefox forks support the same Firefox addon ecosystem, or do they have smaller selections/manual steps?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

I couldn’t say as I can’t speak to every fork in existence, but I think most of them support all Firefox extensions. AFAIK LibreWolf does.

[-] dkxkee@mas.to 10 points 1 week ago

@davel @Nighed Have been using LibreWolf for a few weeks now, and have had no problems adding Firefox extensions.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Generally yes

[-] c0smokram3r@midwest.social 10 points 1 week ago

Thoughts on Mullvad browser?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

I’m not a security expert, but I think it’s roughly on-par with LibreWolf. I think they both come without Encrypted Media Extensions.

https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts

And here's a listing of the compile options:

[…]

--disable-eme (Encrypted Media Extensions, for other DRMs)

[-] c0smokram3r@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

TY for the info 👽

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[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

♫ Everything I used to love has turned to shit ♫

[-] Templa@beehaw.org 7 points 1 week ago

I wish the time he spend complaining was developing an alternative. But he rather support the Apple ecosystem.

He's so petulant online with people that I can only imagine how awful it must be to have him as a boss.

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[-] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm gonna keep using and recommending LibreWolf for the foreseeable future.

But I wonder what other alternative web engines do we have with both Chromium and Gecko being run by advertisers now?

I know Palemoon runs a fork of a really old version of a Gecko and I used it for a bit back when Firefox 58 broke most add-ons. But I'm a bit iffy of it's security these days.

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[+] gaufff@piaille.fr -32 points 1 week ago

@davel I decided to switch to #vivaldi. Highly recommend it.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 week ago

Vivaldi is even worse: Unlike Firefox, its proprietariness doesn’t end at a closed-source DRM binary blob.

In fact every Chromium-based browser is worse than Firefox: Chrome Users Beware: Manifest V3 is Deceitful and Threatening

[-] NeryK@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago

Vivaldi is closed source and based on Chromium (albeit modified), so it does not sound all that appealing. As long as uBlock origin, NoScript and Tampermonkey can unleash their full potential in Firefox, I'm likely to stick with it.

[-] dan@upvote.au 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Vivaldi is good in some ways (I miss the old Opera and Vivaldi is a spiritual successor to it), but we really don't need more Chromium-based browsers in the world. It's becoming a Chromium monoculture, which is bad for the web.

If you want to use a different browser, try Librewolf.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Proprietary Chromium browser. No thanks

[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

I would definitely use Vivaldi if it wasn't Chromium-based, but it is so a no-go from me.

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Others have commented on the issues with Vivaldi, but do you have points on what you like about Vivaldi? People might suggest non-chromium browsers that do the same things

https://lemmy.ca/post/23688697

[-] alyqz@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not op, but these are some things that I appriciate about Vivaldi:

Mouse gestures that work anywhere in the window with different options based on what I start the gesture on (eg. Right clicking on a link and dragging down opens the link in a new foreground tab {dragging down then up opens it in the background} but doing so on empty space opens a new tab)
A scrollable side bar for tabs instead of the horizontal one that is standard (not in addition to or requiring hacky workarounds)
The ability to minimize tabs or send them to the bottom of the cycle order (this needs to be able to be done with mouse gestures)
The ability to easily highlight parts of a link so that I can copy part of the text (Vivaldi highlights with a click and drag and drags the link on a click, hold and drag; Firefox doesn't appear to do either)
Not having to worry about third party extensions security issues or having this core functionality stop working because the extension maintainer has to update it for the new browser version.
The fact that it just works with minimal configuration

Unfortunately I am looking for alternatives to Vivaldi since Google has decided to kill quality web browsing on Chromium browsers. Much of the web is virtually unusable to me without a tool like ublock quieting things down to work past my sensory processing issues. At times it is hard to think that the majority of web devs have anything but distain for disabled people.

I do use Fennic on Android (with ublock and darkreader) because Mozilla decided to block access to about:config in the mobile version and I have yet to find another way to always force pages to load the desktop version. (Mobile versions of sites disable most of the built in accessibility options like the ability to zoom)

The settings I set in fennic if anyone is curious:

browser.viewport.defaultZoom (set a sane default zoom)
browser.viewport desktopWidth (say that the screen is large enough to not trigger CSS mobille layouts)
general.useragent.override (work around browser sniffing; I've yet to find an extension that actually works for this)

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