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Party of Three, from LotR (Oscar Chichoni) (i.imgur.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee to c/eurographicnovels@lemm.ee

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Many people seem familiar with Lord of the Rings via the Jackson movies, but there's a much longer tradition of artists depicting scenes from the books. Plus of course, two TV / movie series that bring some great voicework & songs (Rankin-Bass' version) and fascinating animation (Ralph Bakshi's), despite their overall flaws.

But in terms of alternate illustrators, check out the Brothers Hildebrandt, for example.

Personally, I'm enjoying this Argentinian master's version because the characters are no longer as wholesome-looking as in other depictions, giving the scene slight horror overtones. The ammonite is a nice bonus, too!

Some more Chichoni art here:
https://lemm.ee/post/27712402

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[–] Florn@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The movies aren't perfect, but they were too good in some ways. The movie aesthetic has dominated artistic conceptions of LotR since they came out.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I pretty much agree with that. Somehow they got 'locked in' to cultural consciousness, which is cool in some ways, but deleterious in others IMO.

It's different for me though, since I'm a middle-aged guy who's been seeing various adaptations of The Hobbit & LotR for years, even if it's just fan-art stuff. Frodo does not necessarily look like Elijah Wood. Frodo looks like Frodo!

Another problem I had with the films (despite their quality) is that there were a few too many cheesy moments for me. For example when the cave troll speared Frodo, it was as if time stopped. Everyone in the party telepathically "knew," and swiveled their heads to look over in shock & horror, and of course the orcs all started moving in slow motion. Just show the damn event and follow-up with the aftermath, please. This isn't The Matrix, featuring "bullet-time," lol.

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For me it's that Gimli gets done dirty in terms of comic relief.

Sam gets hit with it too, but he's not falling over himself to call Frodo "Master" and defer to everything he wants, so he comes off as more dignified overall which I like.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

I was just thinking that Sean Astin did a lovely job with Sam, but then I had the thought that pretty much *everyone* in the Fellowship was really strong. Some of the secondary actors maybe not so much, but then... not such a big deal since they're secondary roles.

"It still only counts as one!" Oh, and the dwarf-tossing thing.

So you think Gimli was portrayed a little farcically? I guess he did seem a little 'caricature-ish' at times, and maybe not as grim and deadly as he should have been as a great dwarf warrior. OTOH I think everything I've ever seen John Rhys-Davies in has been a little tongue-in-cheek, not unlike Brian Blessed.

[–] Heterocephalus@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Never cared much for the Jackson movies, to me they are completely void of the fairytale-like magic the books have. Then there is my second biggest complaint, that his orks look like fucking zombies. That is not surprising, considering where Jackson is coming from (Braindead, lol) but still, orks and goblins are called greenskins for a reason damn it!

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago

Agreed. What he did with The Hobbit in particular was utter nonsense. He made a whimsy fairy tale into Lord of The Rings "Reloaded" or something.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

his orks look like fucking zombies

LOL, I never thought of that, but I guess its true.

to me they are completely void of the fairytale-like magic the books have.

I tend to agree with that. So many of these Hollywood movies are utterly caught up with visuals & sound, building tension and manipulating audience reaction. Me, I'd love to see a BBC-made series adaptation if a budget could be found. One that could pay a little more attention to details and cover more of the text, such as including the Bombadil section, a proper return to Hobbiton, and the true coverage of Saruman's demise.

Another annoying thing for me is that some critical sections of the movie were shot but not included in the regular film, so you could only see these in the extended versions. For example, somewhere in the search below you can find:

the FULL council of Elrond scene, in which Gandalf speaks the ring's inscription, the sky turns black, and even the elves quake in fear
Saruman and Wormtongue meet their doom, even if it's not accurate to the books
the amazing/hilarious appearance of the "Mouth of Sauron" before the final battle
hmm, am I missing anything..?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lotr+extra+scenes

That said, I'm still kind of impressed by the movies given that Jackson and his little team were seemingly writing the adaptation on the fly, often finishing pages literally hours before they were shot. Really poor move by the studio IMO, which later wound up turning The Hobbit in to a total mess. Not that they likely cared due to money being their bottom line.

Btw, I do consider the extended 'making of LotR' movies to be significantly better films than LotR itself.